From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:25 2006
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From: "Tony McGuire" <tony@paradoxcommunity.com>
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Subject: Welcome!
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:08:42 -0600
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This group is offered as an alternative to the Borland group for BDE, since
that group keeps only 30 days of posts.

We feel this is a terrible loss of knowledge, and an unnecessary one.


--
Tony McGuire



From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:25 2006
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Hi !

Best Day Enjoy  (BDE)

:-)

-- 
Michel Claveau


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:25 2006
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boire d'une eau-de-vie fine! (BDE eh?)

-- 
For the quickest and best Paradox support see:

http://www.thedbcommunity.com/support/

Rick Kelly
Crooit Software
http://www.crooit.com

Reflect on your present blessings,
of which every man has many,
not on your past misfortunes,
of which all men have some.

Charles Dickens


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:25 2006
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From: "Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@bigpond.com>
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Hi Tony,

Wow I just just replied to you on the b.p.bde newsgroup and you already did
the deed :-)
So, Is there a way to download all of the previous posts ?

Leslie.

"Tony McGuire" <tony@paradoxcommunity.com> wrote in message
news:3f490d0a@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
>
> This group is offered as an alternative to the Borland group for BDE,
since
> that group keeps only 30 days of posts.
>
> We feel this is a terrible loss of knowledge, and an unnecessary one.
>
>
> --
> Tony McGuire



From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:26 2006
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: Wow I just just replied to you on the b.p.bde newsgroup and you already
did
: the deed :-)
: So, Is there a way to download all of the previous posts ?

Actually, I set up this group on Sunday, figuring that this might be asked
for.

Unfortunately, I can't just 'take' the messages without the OK from Borland.
Well, technically I probably could, but I *won't*.  They would need to
'feed' their messages to us, and we'd feed ours to them.

Should they cooperate, then I could probably set it up so things entered
here would 'propogate' to their server, and they'd send posts entered on
their system to us.  But I don't see that happening (hope I'm wrong).

As to 'download all of the previous posts', there are only 300 or so.  They
have deleted the rest.  A real shame that all that knowledge is just gone.


--
--
Paradox Addons http://www.thedbaddons.com

Tony

"I woke up and was able to get myself out of bed.
Being that fortunate, what's to complain about?"
_____________



From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:26 2006
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Don't worry, they aren't gone, there are 25600 of them here, all searchable:

http://www.plusvite.net/?9abe2fad


"Tony McGuire" <tony@paradoxcommunity.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:3f4a2e9c$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
[...]
> As to 'download all of the previous posts', there are only 300 or so.
They
> have deleted the rest.  A real shame that all that knowledge is just gone.
[...]


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:26 2006
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Tony,

I say just take em. As far as I am concerned this is public information and
this newsgroup *could* be considered a archiveal area. With regards to lost
message take em from one of the archive sites.

Leslie.

"Frederic G. MARAND" <fgm@osinet.fr> wrote in message
news:3f4a7458@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
> Don't worry, they aren't gone, there are 25600 of them here, all
searchable:
>
> http://www.plusvite.net/?9abe2fad
>
>
> "Tony McGuire" <tony@paradoxcommunity.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news:3f4a2e9c$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
> [...]
> > As to 'download all of the previous posts', there are only 300 or so.
> They
> > have deleted the rest.  A real shame that all that knowledge is just
gone.
> [...]
>
>


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:26 2006
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Tony,

New post on the borland.public.bde  NG don't appear to be showing up here.

Was that what you intended?


-- 
....
    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:27 2006
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As I stated, I cannot just 'take' the posts.  And haven't even approached
Borland about a cooperative thing.

I just set this group up cause I saw the request coming down the pike.

I'm not sure we even WANT to try to get the posts.


--
--
Paradox Addons http://www.thedbaddons.com

Tony

"I woke up and was able to get myself out of bed.
Being that fortunate, what's to complain about?"
_____________



From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:27 2006
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"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:3f4bfa7c@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
> Tony,
>
> I say just take em. As far as I am concerned this is public information and
> this newsgroup *could* be considered a archiveal area. With regards to lost
> message take em from one of the archive sites.

Legally, it would be a copyright violation.  But in practice, practically no
one would ever complain.  And if they did complain, deleting the messages
would most likely solve the problem.  A monetary penalty is almost impossible.

But Tony is the one taking the risk, so it is his decision.


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:27 2006
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: But Tony is the one taking the risk, so it is his decision.

And I've already been taken thru the wringer by Corel's legal over promoting
a NAME.

Don't think I care to test the waters about NG content.


--
--
Paradox Addons http://www.thedbaddons.com

Tony

"I woke up and was able to get myself out of bed.
Being that fortunate, what's to complain about?"
_____________



From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:28 2006
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Hi Wayne,

This gets a bit shaky, but I do acknowledge that US laws are quite different
to Australian laws regarding copyright.

I have checked into this for other reasons and legal advice to me is that,
the creator of the "post" owns copyright not the newsgroup, unless signed
away. The creator is liable for any slanderous comments and the "law" states
that it is not the laws of the country of origin that apply but the country
where the post (in this case) is being viewed.

In other words, Borland has NO specific rights to the posts.
Leslie.


"Wayne Sheppard" <paradox@atomforge.com> wrote in message
news:3f4ca92c@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
>
> "Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4bfa7c@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
> > Tony,
> >
> > I say just take em. As far as I am concerned this is public information
and
> > this newsgroup *could* be considered a archiveal area. With regards to
lost
> > message take em from one of the archive sites.
>
> Legally, it would be a copyright violation.  But in practice, practically
no
> one would ever complain.  And if they did complain, deleting the messages
> would most likely solve the problem.  A monetary penalty is almost
impossible.
>
> But Tony is the one taking the risk, so it is his decision.
>
>


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:28 2006
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From: "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest@bigpond.net.au>
Newsgroups: pnews.public.bde
Subject: BDE Control By OPAL
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:39:05 +1000
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I saw a thread about managing the BDE settings etc from within OPAL a while
ago - can't remember where. I think Rick Kelly / Rodney Wise were involved.

Tony, is it possible to move relevant threads across to this NG?

Otherwise, can someone point me to where it is?

Thanks.

-- 
Robert Molyneux
IBIS Integrated Business Information Systems


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Check out:

http://www.thedbcommunity.com/code/bdeapi.htm

-- 
....
    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:29 2006
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From: "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest@bigpond.net.au>
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Thanks Rodney

-- 
Robert Molyneux
IBIS Integrated Business Information Systems
"Rodney Wise" <NoSpamPleaserwise@gate.net> wrote in message
news:3f51cf63$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
> Check out:
>
> http://www.thedbcommunity.com/code/bdeapi.htm
>
> -- 
> ...
>     `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney
>
>


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:29 2006
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From: "TC" <cooleyt@woh.rr.com>
Newsgroups: pnews.public.bde
Subject: P7 on xp
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:03:53 -0400
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What version of the BDE should run with Paradox 7 on xp?

Thanks


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:29 2006
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Assuming 32-bit P7.

I would recommend BDE 4.51 - seems very stable and I think you still can
download that from Borland site. You could also use the latest version but
might have performance problems with some table languages (like the Swedish
ones).

The BDE that shiped originally with P7 have some problem with FAT32 and long
filenames (not sure about the combination of NTFS and long file name). I
guess it is most likely that an XP user have NTFS but could also be FAT32 so
you need to upgrade.

Don't forget to patch P7 after the installation - it will also upgrade the
BDE but not to a "safe" level if I remember correctly. You should therefore
runt the update of the BDE to 4.51 (or higher) _after_ the patch.

You might run into problems with the initial installation of P7 under XP,
you need to set your temp variable to a drive with less than 4GB during the
installation. I use a portable USB-Zip drive for that purpose.

Finally you need to set the compatibility to "NT 4" on the shortcut that
starts Paradox, otherwise you will have problem to see the buttons.

I have been running P7 under XP for quite some time now and it works well.


Anders


"TC" <cooleyt@woh.rr.com> skrev i meddelandet
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> What version of the BDE should run with Paradox 7 on xp?
>
> Thanks
>
>


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> You might run into problems with the initial installation of P7 under XP,
> you need to set your temp variable to a drive with less than 4GB during
the
> installation. I use a portable USB-Zip drive for that purpose.


Should have wrote with less than 4GB FREE space.

Anders


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Hi
Does BDE 5.2 works without problems and correctly with Firebird 1.5 or
Interbase 7.x ?
Will futures versions of Firebird or Interbase continue to work correctly
under BDE 5.2.  ?
Until which version of Firebird / Interbase the BDE 5.2 work correctly and
without any problem?
thank you for your answers.

Hicham


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This BDE group does NOT retrieve posts from the Borland BDE group.

NOR does it send posts TO the Borland BDE group.

This is just a separate space for BDE specific issues/questions/comments.

Likely, without participation, there isn't really a need for this group.

We'll see.  If no need, we'll delete this group and use the 'other' myriad
groups for BDE stuff.


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Both seem to work pretty well when access via BDE 5.2.

There is no guarantee that either IB or FB will remain compatible with the 
BDE. Borland has recommended that the users of their development tools 
migrate away from the BDE and they have frozen the BDE at version 5.2.

The FB folks will probably not break BDE connectivity on purpose, but few 
(if any) are using the BDE to connect to FB - and they probably don't 
consider BDE connectivity a high priority.



"Hicham" <hicham.tawil@wanadoo.fr> wrote in
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> Hi
> Does BDE 5.2 works without problems and correctly with Firebird 1.5 or
> Interbase 7.x ?
> Will futures versions of Firebird or Interbase continue to work
> correctly under BDE 5.2.  ?
> Until which version of Firebird / Interbase the BDE 5.2 work correctly
> and without any problem?
> thank you for your answers.
> 
> Hicham
> 
> 
> 

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Thank you for your answer,
I'm happy to hear that firebird 1.5 works under BDE 5.2, i will try it
quickly because i'm using paradox 9 sp3 as developement tools and paradox
works only under BDE, we have NO CHOICE to change BDE by an other tool.
And to use a client/server database with paradox, I think that Firebird is
the best choice

Hicham

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"Jeff Shoaf" <jeffshoaf-@-alltel.net> a écrit dans le message news:
Xns93FFBB371920Ajeffshoafalltelnet@207.231.83.253...
> Both seem to work pretty well when access via BDE 5.2.
>
> There is no guarantee that either IB or FB will remain compatible with the
> BDE. Borland has recommended that the users of their development tools
> migrate away from the BDE and they have frozen the BDE at version 5.2.
>
> The FB folks will probably not break BDE connectivity on purpose, but few
> (if any) are using the BDE to connect to FB - and they probably don't
> consider BDE connectivity a high priority.
>
>
>
> "Hicham" <hicham.tawil@wanadoo.fr> wrote in
> news:3f539758$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com:
>
> > Hi
> > Does BDE 5.2 works without problems and correctly with Firebird 1.5 or
> > Interbase 7.x ?
> > Will futures versions of Firebird or Interbase continue to work
> > correctly under BDE 5.2.  ?
> > Until which version of Firebird / Interbase the BDE 5.2 work correctly
> > and without any problem?
> > thank you for your answers.
> >
> > Hicham
> >
> >
> >
>


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Hi
I'm about migrating my db tables of paradox 9 to a client/server database
Firbird 1.5
i will continue to use some paradox tables together with firebird table,
in the data model,
in the sql query
and in the qbe query
What is the best parametre configuration to use for BDE 5.2 ??
SQLPATHTHRU MOD ?
BLOB SIZE?
SQLQRYMODE ?
and other options???

many users (5-10) will use the application in the same time
I'm using Corel Paradox 9 + SP3

Hicham




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Is that documented anywhere on Borland's web site? ("Borland has recommended
that the users of their development tools
 migrate away from the BDE")


"Jeff Shoaf" <jeffshoaf-@-alltel.net> wrote in message
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> Both seem to work pretty well when access via BDE 5.2.
>
> There is no guarantee that either IB or FB will remain compatible with the
> BDE. Borland has recommended that the users of their development tools
> migrate away from the BDE and they have frozen the BDE at version 5.2.
>
> The FB folks will probably not break BDE connectivity on purpose, but few
> (if any) are using the BDE to connect to FB - and they probably don't
> consider BDE connectivity a high priority.
>
>
>
> "Hicham" <hicham.tawil@wanadoo.fr> wrote in
> news:3f539758$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com:
>
> > Hi
> > Does BDE 5.2 works without problems and correctly with Firebird 1.5 or
> > Interbase 7.x ?
> > Will futures versions of Firebird or Interbase continue to work
> > correctly under BDE 5.2.  ?
> > Until which version of Firebird / Interbase the BDE 5.2 work correctly
> > and without any problem?
> > thank you for your answers.
> >
> > Hicham
> >
> >
> >
>


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Yes, on their Community site. I was going to do a search on their site to 
find it, but I can't seem to get to it...

"Ariel Benzakein" <arielb@sliceplus.com> wrote in
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> Is that documented anywhere on Borland's web site? ("Borland has
> recommended that the users of their development tools
>  migrate away from the BDE")
> 
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This has been covered quite a bit in the c/s newsgroup here at pnews. If
you go to www.thedbcommunity.com, you can do a search on Firebird and
get a bunch of info and see lots of discussion on using it with Paradox. 

To get the best performance and concurrency, you're better off putting
everything in FB and querying it down to local tables for display. Doing
heterogeneous joins (linking Paradox and FB tables together in queries
or data models) really kills the performance. You also get the most
control by handling transactions in your code rather than doing
autocommits. 

Anywho:

SQLPassThru: SHARED NOAUTOCOMMIT
SQLQRYMODE: SERVER

I don't know about Blob size since I haven't really messed with FB
blobs, but I seem to remember seeing something about it not really
mattering any more. If you have SQL Links, check out the SQL Links IB
specific help for more info on recommended settings. 

"Hicham" <hicham.tawil@wanadoo.fr> wrote in
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> Hi
> I'm about migrating my db tables of paradox 9 to a client/server
> database Firbird 1.5
> i will continue to use some paradox tables together with firebird
> table, in the data model,
> in the sql query
> and in the qbe query
> What is the best parametre configuration to use for BDE 5.2 ??
> SQLPATHTHRU MOD ?
> BLOB SIZE?
> SQLQRYMODE ?
> and other options???
> 
> many users (5-10) will use the application in the same time
> I'm using Corel Paradox 9 + SP3
> 
> Hicham
> 
>
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I can't find it in a search either.  I know I've seen it, but I'm trying to
find documentation.


"Jeff Shoaf" <jeffshoaf-@-alltel.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, on their Community site. I was going to do a search on their site to
> find it, but I can't seem to get to it...
>
> "Ariel Benzakein" <arielb@sliceplus.com> wrote in
> news:3f719602@jedstarmail.psfloan.com:
>
> > Is that documented anywhere on Borland's web site? ("Borland has
> > recommended that the users of their development tools
> >  migrate away from the BDE")
> >


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: find it, but I can't seem to get to it...

I think the 'combination of hardware and software glitches' they have are a
bit further reaching than just their newsgroups.

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[Follow up redirected to pnews.announcements]

Hi everyone !

We are now officially opened for inscriptions to the International Paradox
Convention 2003 that will take place in Paris on October, 24th and 25th, 2003

A ) The organizers, voluntary, are:

The companies, Gibbon Informatique with Jacques Chaillot, Michel Claveau
Informatique, Clairinfo with Côme de Christen and on a individual basis,
Régis Duc Dodon.

B) Entry conditions:

Entry to this convention is open and free of charge but is tied to a simple
inscription form on our dedicated web site : http://212.180.60.34:82/
(In the event of difficulties with your inscription, you can also email or
post it to us)

If you wish to make a technical presentation please remember to indicate the
theme of your paper and also its duration (1/2 hour is the recommended time
limit).

It is also worth noting that these technical presentations will take place
preferably on Friday 24th, Saturday 25th being more devoted to informal
exchanges between participants.

For your information, due to foreign speakers, some presentations will be in
English but we will ensure a translation into French.

C) Location of of the convention :

October 24th : Technical seminar at "La Maison de la Chimie" where we will
have a showroom equipped (screen + videoprojector).

28 , rue Saint Dominique, 75007 Paris  (métro : Invalides)
(see http://www.maisondelachimie.com/ )

October 25th :

Free day between participants in order to meet each other and to continue
in a informal way ,even bucolic !, Friday's debates.

It is of course possible to be present for only one of these 2 days but
please let us know in advance when you register.

D) Current program (likely to evolve) :

Friday 24 :

9h00 - 9h30:         Delegates opening address
9h30 - 10h00:       Corel News by Corel France team (new products etc.)
10h00 - 13h00:     Technical presentations

Are currently registered the following presentations:
(Without indication of order / schedule nor guarantee of a strict
realization)

PxForms: using Paradox to develop Internet applications  - Vladimir Menkin
Ponx : all the power of Python scripts accessible by Paradox - Michel Claveau
Paradox and PHP :  Internet applications with Paradox tables  - Côme de Christen
Paradox and GED : Organise all of your documents with Paradox - Jacques Chaillot
Paradox and Word : An alternative to Paradox reports - Jacques Chaillot
Paradox-Runtime: How to add styles to reports - Egbert Babst
Paradox and Flash : Integrating Flash animations with Paradox - Côme de Christen
Paradox and XML : Case studies - Frédéric G. Marand
Paradox and Internet : different approaches to integration - Dmitry Vulis
Paradox and the client/server: Paradox and ColdFusion - Mike Irwin
Corel and Paradox: the current situation, the future - Corel France

13h00 - 14h00 :    Pause for lunch (Several cafés/bars in the area)
14h00 - 19h00:     Continuing technical presentations
19h00 :                 End of the technical seminar

20h00:

Convention dinner function in a local restaurant.
For those who wish to attend pre-booking is obligatory.
Attendees are responsible for own meal expenses.
Price is fixed at 50 euros per person.

Saturday 25:

Open discussion platform in particular with our foreign guest speakers

E) Accomodations :

For the non-Parisians,

We have selected several hotels in close proximity to the conference center
(7th arrondissement). The hotels have a limited number of rooms available
and we advise you to book as early as possible.

We have booked a limited number of rooms at the Hotel Muguet. If you
book a room at this hotel please indicate that you are attending the
International Paradox Convention.

Rates per room range from 80 Euros to 90 Euros.

Hôtel Muguet ** ("officiel" Paradox hotel):, 11, rue Chevert, 75007, Paris
tel: 01 47 05 05 93 , http://www.hotelmuguet.com
Hôtel de l'Empereur ** : 2, rue Chevert, 75007, Paris tel: 01 45 55 88 02
http://www.hotelempereur.com
Hôtel de France, 102, Bd de la Tour Maubourg, 75007, Paris
tel: 01 47 05 40 49

F) Contacts and other sources of information :

Jacques Chaillot :    jchaillot@gibbon.fr , www.gibbon.fr
Michel Claveau :     mc@mclaveau.com , http://mclaveau.com
Régis Duc Dodon : regis.ducdodon@club-internet.fr
Côme de Christen : come.dechristen@wanadoo.fr , www.clairinfo.fr

Dedicated newsgroup : http://www.clairinfo.fr/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=6
Official registration site (created using pxForms ) : http://212.180.60.34:82/

G) Conference Sponsors :

At the moment 3 sponsors are commited to the project :

Gibbon Informatique
Michel Claveau Informatique
Clairinfo

The sponsorship fee is set at 250 Euros. Sponsor's name and logo will be
prominently included on all official convention material and you will be
associated with the first Paradox Convention of the Third Millenium !

Waiting with pleasure to meeting you and with our best regards,

*** The French Paradox Team ***

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I don't have any particular issues with the BDE. Apart from marketing
obsolescence, what are the technical problems causing people to move away
from the BDE?


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$$

Borland isn't making enough $$.

The PUSH is to move away from file based databases and into "client -
server" database engines that require licensing for the Server and each
Client.  Using the Client-Server model, there is a steady cash stream coming
into the cash drawer.  When we (the developers) develop applications that
depends on a "Client - Server" licensing scenario.... Borland (and all other
licensers of this scheme) make cash.   The cost is passed along to our
customers in the form of higher prices [or else we 1) eat it   2) try to
sell them on an open source client-server database].

Using the BDE is a more affordable method to accomplish probably most every
database requirement that most developers will come across.  While it cost
less to deploy and manage... your competition will effectively tell your
customers that you are using a technology in your product that is no longer
supported.... yesterdays stuff....   So, while your product may be less
expensive, and able to do the job perfectly well..... you'll still have to
overcome this marketing stigma.

While database engines like InterBase, etc. can handle larger file sizes and
boast "self healing" qualities.... the file based systems still works fine
for MANY applications.

The "REAL" problem with the BDE is not Borland giving up on it.... but
instead... the real problem is the potential that M$ could break it in their
new OS releases.  Borland probably would not even give up a fight.... and
may even wish it would happen.

So... we Paradox developers are really at the mercy of M$.... more then
anyone.

This is why I believe it is SO IMPORTANT that we (us Paradox peeps) find a
way to run Paradox (and the BDE) in a LINUX / WINE configuration.... one
that does not require any native M$ DLL's.  And that we do it sooner then
later.

There IS A LOT OF BDE DEPENDANT applications running out there in the world
today (including DELPHI).  A Linux/Wine configuration that could support the
BDE could potentially save a lot of people a lot of money.


-- 
....
    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney


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Hi Rodney

So technically, the BDE cannot support larger databases. But then, there are
lots of little database applications around.

Marketing-wise... lots of fear and confusion.

Real possibility of next Windoz breaking it - and both Delphi- and
Paradox-based appls.

BTW - currently dealing with IT that asked my client why he needed Paradox
to be installed - can't he use Access?!!!

Unfortunately, the MSworld view is probably going to get stronger even with
the current security issues - I suspect some IT will see that they are stuck
with something where going to an alternative could be jumping out of the
frying pan into the fire.

"Rodney Wise" <NoSpamPleaserwise@gate.net> wrote in message
news:3f78b866$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
> $$
>
> Borland isn't making enough $$.
>
> The PUSH is to move away from file based databases and into "client -
> server" database engines that require licensing for the Server and each
> Client.  Using the Client-Server model, there is a steady cash stream
coming
> into the cash drawer.  When we (the developers) develop applications that
> depends on a "Client - Server" licensing scenario.... Borland (and all
other
> licensers of this scheme) make cash.   The cost is passed along to our
> customers in the form of higher prices [or else we 1) eat it   2) try to
> sell them on an open source client-server database].
>
> Using the BDE is a more affordable method to accomplish probably most
every
> database requirement that most developers will come across.  While it cost
> less to deploy and manage... your competition will effectively tell your
> customers that you are using a technology in your product that is no
longer
> supported.... yesterdays stuff....   So, while your product may be less
> expensive, and able to do the job perfectly well..... you'll still have to
> overcome this marketing stigma.
>
> While database engines like InterBase, etc. can handle larger file sizes
and
> boast "self healing" qualities.... the file based systems still works fine
> for MANY applications.
>
> The "REAL" problem with the BDE is not Borland giving up on it.... but
> instead... the real problem is the potential that M$ could break it in
their
> new OS releases.  Borland probably would not even give up a fight.... and
> may even wish it would happen.
>
> So... we Paradox developers are really at the mercy of M$.... more then
> anyone.
>
> This is why I believe it is SO IMPORTANT that we (us Paradox peeps) find a
> way to run Paradox (and the BDE) in a LINUX / WINE configuration.... one
> that does not require any native M$ DLL's.  And that we do it sooner then
> later.
>
> There IS A LOT OF BDE DEPENDANT applications running out there in the
world
> today (including DELPHI).  A Linux/Wine configuration that could support
the
> BDE could potentially save a lot of people a lot of money.
>
>
> -- 
> ...
>     `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney
>
>


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"Robert Molyneux"  wrote:
>
> BTW - currently dealing with IT that asked my client why he needed Paradox
> to be installed - can't he use Access?!!!
>
> Unfortunately, the MSworld view is probably going to get stronger even
with
> the current security issues - I suspect some IT will see that they are
stuck
> with something where going to an alternative could be jumping out of the
> frying pan into the fire.
>
+++++++++++++++++++

Yeh.... there is a large group of IT people out there who are 100%
indoctrinated into the M$ "herd" mentality.  (Safety in numbers).  M$
provides them with various levels of "Certifications" which translates into
job security and higher $$.  These IT peeps don't want to bite the hand that
feeds them.   Most of these people don't have much going on in the
"visionary" or "entrepreneurial" department.  They simply want to hang with
the herd and make a buck.... no black sheep allowed.

Windows solutions that are not M$ products or at least partnered with M$...
are looked upon by M$ IT people as "Back Sheep" products.  Even though the
products are designed to use M$ Windows...... they are not M$.   Paradox is
one of those "Black Sheep" products.... WordPerfect is another.

On the brighter side....  The days of M$ dominance in the corporate market
are numbered.  Those sheep that don't move quickly toward accepting and even
endorsing alternative Linux solutions will be viewed as road blocks in
today's corporate direction.  Corporate planners who may have already made
up their minds to get on board and realize the types of savings and
security, other companies are already enjoying by making the Linux move,
will not look favorably on those Sheep holdouts in their IT departments.

Unfortunately.... this still doesn't make Paradox any more attractive.

Paradox and the BDE running on a Linux Desktop will make it VERY attractive.
It would the ONLY desktop database for Linux!

If Corel was smart... they'd (quickly) port their UNIX version of
WordPerfect (which is written in native UNIX code... not WINE) over to
LINUX.   Corporate America still vaguely remembers the name
"WordPerfect".... but not for too much longer.  WordPerfect could enjoy a
leadership role in the office again.

But.... we Paradox peeps really need the BDE and Paradox to run on Linux, if
we are going to have a future beyond the next few years.

If it's going to happen.... I don't believe it will come from any
initiatives by Borland or Corel.   We are kind of on our own to see that it
happens.  Possibly encouraging the WINE group to develop it.  If they were
aware of the number of BDE dependant  applications in the World right now
that may face issues with new M$ OS's..... maybe they'd give it a closer
look.



-- 
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    on the XP Desktop?

A. To lure more sheep to Microsoft.

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The BDE has not been discontinued and will ship with Delphi 8 for .Net.

SQL Links is another story.

The following is snipped from a message Posted by David Robinson in
Borland's BDE NG:

;//========================
Yes, SQL Links are officially deprecated, but the "BDE" isn't technically.
Yes, that link is the "official" statement from Borland about the status of
the BDE.

Just because there was this "revelation" at the Meet the .NET Team session
at BorCon that the BDE "isn't dead" doesn't mean people should use it.
IMHO, in reality, for all intents and purposes, the BDE is
dead/discontinued/deprecated/or whatever term you want to use to mean
"no longer something you should use".  There are known bugs in the
Paradox drivers that have been around for at least 5 years that Borland
has not fixed.

The ONLY valid reason, IMHO, to use the BDE is if you have an existing
legacy application that uses the BDE and it is too much hassle to upgrade
it to use something to replace the BDE.  If you are writing a new
application
then you should NOT even consider using the BDE.

Yes, the BDE will be in D8 for .NET, but that just means that they somehow
ported they provided a way for people to access Paradox and dBase tables
in a .NET application.  Unless you HAVE to use Paradox/dBase for some
legacy reason, IMHO, you would be nuts to use the BDE in a .NET
application.
;//========================



For accurate information see:
http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,28688,00.html .


The BDE support page is at:
www.borland.com/devsupport/bde





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Note that the post was made by someone who isn't a Borland employee.


"Rodney Wise" <NoSpamPleaserwise@gate.net> wrote in message
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> The BDE has not been discontinued and will ship with Delphi 8 for .Net.
>
> SQL Links is another story.
>
> The following is snipped from a message Posted by David Robinson in
> Borland's BDE NG:
>
> ;//========================
> Yes, SQL Links are officially deprecated, but the "BDE" isn't technically.
> Yes, that link is the "official" statement from Borland about the status of
> the BDE.
>
> Just because there was this "revelation" at the Meet the .NET Team session
> at BorCon that the BDE "isn't dead" doesn't mean people should use it.
> IMHO, in reality, for all intents and purposes, the BDE is
> dead/discontinued/deprecated/or whatever term you want to use to mean
> "no longer something you should use".  There are known bugs in the
> Paradox drivers that have been around for at least 5 years that Borland
> has not fixed.
>
> The ONLY valid reason, IMHO, to use the BDE is if you have an existing
> legacy application that uses the BDE and it is too much hassle to upgrade
> it to use something to replace the BDE.  If you are writing a new
> application
> then you should NOT even consider using the BDE.
>
> Yes, the BDE will be in D8 for .NET, but that just means that they somehow
> ported they provided a way for people to access Paradox and dBase tables
> in a .NET application.  Unless you HAVE to use Paradox/dBase for some
> legacy reason, IMHO, you would be nuts to use the BDE in a .NET
> application.
> ;//========================
>
>
>
> For accurate information see:
> http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,28688,00.html .
>
>
> The BDE support page is at:
> www.borland.com/devsupport/bde
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> http://www.ars-florida.com/MessageDisclaimer.html
> ...
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I think it is quite misleading to say that the BDE is "technically not
deprecated".  Otherwise, I would say the basic perspective of the article is
correct.  Paradox is kind of a two-horned beast, one being the application
and the other being the BDE, both of which are now stagnant.

Joe

"Rodney Wise" <NoSpamPleaserwise@gate.net> wrote in message
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> The BDE has not been discontinued and will ship with Delphi 8 for .Net.
>
> SQL Links is another story.
>
> The following is snipped from a message Posted by David Robinson in
> Borland's BDE NG:
>
> ;//========================
> Yes, SQL Links are officially deprecated, but the "BDE" isn't technically.
> Yes, that link is the "official" statement from Borland about the status
of
> the BDE.
>
> Just because there was this "revelation" at the Meet the .NET Team session
> at BorCon that the BDE "isn't dead" doesn't mean people should use it.
> IMHO, in reality, for all intents and purposes, the BDE is
> dead/discontinued/deprecated/or whatever term you want to use to mean
> "no longer something you should use".  There are known bugs in the
> Paradox drivers that have been around for at least 5 years that Borland
> has not fixed.
>
> The ONLY valid reason, IMHO, to use the BDE is if you have an existing
> legacy application that uses the BDE and it is too much hassle to upgrade
> it to use something to replace the BDE.  If you are writing a new
> application
> then you should NOT even consider using the BDE.
>
> Yes, the BDE will be in D8 for .NET, but that just means that they somehow
> ported they provided a way for people to access Paradox and dBase tables
> in a .NET application.  Unless you HAVE to use Paradox/dBase for some
> legacy reason, IMHO, you would be nuts to use the BDE in a .NET
> application.
> ;//========================
>
>
>
> For accurate information see:
> http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,28688,00.html .
>
>
> The BDE support page is at:
> www.borland.com/devsupport/bde
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi folks,

As I remember, the old DOS-Pdox versions works without BDE.

Why it seems to be impossible to make a new Windows-Pdox without the BDE? Or
is this only a "political" decision - i.e. it could be done, but Corel
(Venture) has no interrest to do it (f.e. too expensive development).

Ivan


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: Why it seems to be impossible to make a new Windows-Pdox without the BDE?
Or

Yes, it could be done.

But then you'd have a new product, not Paradox.

I think that Paradox is so wrapped into the BDE that you would basically
have to start over.

And that would be a VERY expensive proposition.

And there aren't enough people using Paradox currently to warrant a rewrite.

And DEFINITELY Corel's marketing has proven to be nearly worthless.  They
wouldn't have a clue as far as getting new clients for a new Desktop
Database application.


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Hi Tony,

> : Why it seems to be impossible to make a new Windows-Pdox without the
BDE?
> Or
>
> Yes, it could be done.
>
> But then you'd have a new product, not Paradox.

Why? the same tables, forms, scripts, reports ... only BDE is not present. I
would say it is the same database app, but safe for the future. The old Pdox
works without BDE and it was Pdox too.

> I think that Paradox is so wrapped into the BDE that you would basically
> have to start over.
>
> And that would be a VERY expensive proposition.
>
> And there aren't enough people using Paradox currently to warrant a
rewrite.

Here were Corel's marketing responsible to do something. Until they do
nothing, the situation can't be better. Nobody knows about Paradox. It's
simply not present. If somebody want it, he has to search for it and this is
not a good position for a software. The Corel internet-site and advertising
says nearly nothing about Pdox - how do they wish to win new customers? It's
available only bundled with WP Office Pro - not the best decision for
software developers ...

> And DEFINITELY Corel's marketing has proven to be nearly worthless.  They
> wouldn't have a clue as far as getting new clients for a new Desktop
> Database application.

The way they do it now, is the best way to lose existing users and not to
win new users.
I think a compare with Access (possibilities and price) were a useful
information for users to make a decision for a new software. Why there
aren't any informations at PC magazines? But if they can't guarantee, that
the software is usable in the near future (1-2 years), it is completely lost
situation to win new software developers - and the selffullfilling prophecy
goes its way ...

I have two brothers. They use other Corel apps (Xara, CorelDraw, ...) and
they think about alternatives too, because Corel (Venture) is a company,
which seems to have no future with their marketing "policy". One of them
uses nowadays Access and I think the same way - but at the first look it's
more complicated - f.e. to define a 'Picture' for a field is much more
complicated then Pdox-Picture (and less usable) ... But if there are no
alternatives, I've to go that way ...

Ivan


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"moroivan"  wrote:
>
> Why? the same tables, forms, scripts, reports ... only BDE is
> not present. I would say it is the same database app, but safe
>  for the future. The old Pdox works without BDE and it was
> Pdox too.
>
>
===================

moroivan,

Old PDOX (DOS Versions) used PAL.   OPAL and PAL are not the same.  While
some of the code may look similar, the way PAL deals with tables and
objects.... and the way OPAL deals with tables and objects are totally
different.  OPAL is (without a doubt) a considerable advancement over PAL.

Paradox for Windows (the application) is almost nothing more then an
extension of the BDE API and some Windows API.  Paradox for Windows (the
application) can not even start without opening a new BDE session.   My
guess would be, that in order to remove the BDE from Paradox for Windows,
you would basically be looking at a total re-writing of Paradox from
scratch.  The resulting application would not look or act like Paradox for
Windows.  By removing the BDE, you would be basically ripping out its heart.

So instead of "removing the BDE from Paradox"..... I would think that simply
starting over from scratch and constructing a totally new database centric
application built on a different database engine would be easier.  (although
it would cost millions of dollars to do and not necessarily be better in the
end.)

Then you'd end up having to live with all the new bugs that a new product
brings to the table and wait for years of ongoing complaining, development
and fixes just to end up with a product anywhere near as stable as we
already enjoy with the BDE and Paradox.



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> Then you'd end up having to live with all the new bugs that a new product
> brings to the table and wait for years of ongoing complaining, development
> and fixes just to end up with a product anywhere near as stable as we
> already enjoy with the BDE and Paradox.

Even I don't know much about PAL, I know that there are differences to OPAL.
I've mentioned it to show, that there can be a Pdox without dying BDE.

What would you say, how long will BDE work without any updates? I.e. if BDE
stops to work with new Win-versions, Pdox is dead too. If BDE would be
removed (replaced), Pdox could survive (of course as something "new", but as
a database with similar behaviour). All things changes within years -
Windows itself changes too.

It's a "game" called: live and let die ...

Ivan


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"moroivan"  wrote:
>
> What would you say, how long will BDE work without any updates?
> I.e. if BDE stops to work with new Win-versions, Pdox is dead too.
> If BDE would be removed (replaced), Pdox could survive (of course
> as something "new", but as a database with similar behaviour).
> All things changes within years - Windows itself changes too.
>
> It's a "game" called: live and let die ...
>
=================

Ivan,

If M$ kills the BDE, the BDE will not be alone to experience the death nail.
To kill the BDE would also mean that several other legacy applications would
be killed also.  There would be MANY unhappy endusers.  They would be very
unhappy with Microsoft.

There are many applications running today that require the BDE.  Most of
these applications are business related custom applications and very
expensive to reproduce.   I don't think that "endusers" would be to happy
with M$ if they killed important legacy solutions such as the BDE.
(remember also... this death would require the actual upgrading to a new BDE
unfriendly Windows OS before it would or could take effect).

But.... if M$ were to kill the BDE.... We have already demonstrated how the
BDE works fine using LINUX.  If the "enduser" becomes even more upset with
M$ for killing their custom and expensive legacy business solution (that
they depend on), I could envision even more endusers migrating to Linux.
Linux is already on a speedy road to general acceptance.... killing the BDE
would only encourage more to take a serious look at alternatives to M$.

If "your" business ran on a BDE dependant application that would cost you
$250,000 to $500,000 dollars to replace, (or even $30,000 to $100,000)....
and Microsoft broke your application with a new Windows release.  What would
you do if you also knew you could continue running your application on
Linux?

Would you consider changing your OS to a FREE OS that would also give you
freedom from any future dictates from M$.... or would you spend the enormous
amounts of money required to upgrade your systems to the new Windows OS (new
Hardware and M$ OS cost).... plus shop for a completely new custom business
solution that will replace the one that has been serving you fine for years?

I think people will take both directions.... I have no idea what the
percentages would be....  But I don't believe it would be the death of the
BDE.... and I do believe it would be a boon for new Linux converts.

I have a dream......    Free at last....



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Rodney,

I disagree, and Dan A. has said in the past that this needn't be
so.  There's no reason you can't keep ObjectPAL.  No reason the
data model concept can't be maintained.  No reason you can't have
all the same UIObjects there are now.  Paradox could be rebuilt,
from the ground up. and support already existing Paradox apps and
code such that those apps would only need minor changes.

Of course, they'd want to build in new things as well... :-)

Ivan,

As Rodney said, the BDE and Paradox are heavily intertwined.  Not
by convenient, re-do-able calls to one another, but hard coded
together.  Dan A. also said the Paradox source, is, basically, a
mess.  Different parts are written in different languages and
it's no longer a "clean" collection of organized source.  I
expect it would actually be cheaper and faster to rebuild than to
extract the BDE.

Liz


Rodney Wise wrote:
> 
> ...  The resulting application would not look or act like Paradox for
> Windows.


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Rodney,

While the below is true (lots of other non-ObjectPAL apps using
BDE, many of them commercial (GoldMine, anyone?)), I have no
doubt that the ones which are currently successful have already
had their source code shipped off to India where programmers are
working as we type to reproduce that software in such a way that
the UI, the code and the database are 3 separate entities.

Successful software development companies and programmers have
learned their lesson: don't link these three so inextricably that
breaking one breaks all the rest, thereby making fixes, additions
and re-writes far more expensive and time-consuming than they
need to be.

Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure I'm right for a large
percentage of successful commercial applications.  (Custom apps
developed by folks like you and I may or may not be in this
process, either way, they're not as likely to have been shipped
to India.)

Liz


Rodney Wise wrote:
> 
> If M$ kills the BDE, the BDE will not be alone to experience the death nail.
> To kill the BDE would also mean that several other legacy applications would
> be killed also.  There would be MANY unhappy endusers.  They would be very
> unhappy with Microsoft.
> 
> There are many applications running today that require the BDE.  Most of
> these applications are business related custom applications and very
> expensive to reproduce.

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> If M$ kills the BDE, the BDE will not be alone to experience the death
nail.
> To kill the BDE would also mean that several other legacy applications
would
> be killed also.  There would be MANY unhappy endusers.  They would be very
> unhappy with Microsoft.

Maybe (dBase, ...), but they have to accept it, or die out too. It's not
only M$ guilty. Some "evolution" is necessary, so that old dinosaurus dies
out, if they cannot be adapted to the new conditions (otherwise we would
have DOS today). I would say, that this is more a Corel / Venture and
Borland problem, because they stay in the past and do not adapt they
software-parts (especially BDE) to the new situation. It's not on M$ to wait
endlesly to all old apps, if they could or could not be saved to the "new
age environment". Corel / Borland has some years to do that - otherwise fare
well ...

> If "your" business ran on a BDE dependant application that would cost you
> $250,000 to $500,000 dollars to replace, (or even $30,000 to $100,000)....
> and Microsoft broke your application with a new Windows release.  What
would
> you do if you also knew you could continue running your application on
> Linux?

My situation is a little bit different.
I have some hundreds registered users - who uses my Pdox apps. I personally
know only about a dozen of them. I.e. the "normal way" is: a user buys a pc
with Windows. If then he needs an app like my medical sw, he purchase it. I
can't tell the user that he should install Linux first, because I don't know
them. If I would develop Linux sw, there were more than 95% market lost.
Therefore it's impossible. Only if Linux would have more than about 20%, I
could srtart to develop Linux sw - and therefore Linux is not a solution for
me in the near future (some years).

Ivan


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Liz, I completely agree with you. Why you aren't a chief of the Corel
company? They need people with good ideas.

Look Rodney, this were a perfect solution for Pdox (and the whole lucky BDE
community would have their laugh back :-)).

Ivan

> While the below is true (lots of other non-ObjectPAL apps using
> BDE, many of them commercial (GoldMine, anyone?)), I have no
> doubt that the ones which are currently successful have already
> had their source code shipped off to India where programmers are
> working as we type to reproduce that software in such a way that
> the UI, the code and the database are 3 separate entities.
>
> Successful software development companies and programmers have
> learned their lesson: don't link these three so inextricably that
> breaking one breaks all the rest, thereby making fixes, additions
> and re-writes far more expensive and time-consuming than they
> need to be.
>
> Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure I'm right for a large
> percentage of successful commercial applications.  (Custom apps
> developed by folks like you and I may or may not be in this
> process, either way, they're not as likely to have been shipped
> to India.)
>
> Liz


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"moroivan"  wrote:
>
> I would say, that this is more a Corel / Venture and Borland
> problem, because they stay in the past and do not adapt they
> software-parts (especially BDE) to the new situation.
>
==================
Ivan,

I believe that much of the "innovation" brought to the table by M$ (and even
Borland) has much more to do with devising new methods to increase cash flow
into their pockets then it does with delivering better technology to the
enduser.  Granted, some of the new technology brings important improvements,
but there is a trade off.... A very big and serious trade off.

I believe Borland views the BDE as cash looser....  They sell it only once.
Whereas they can license their other database technologies over and over
again.... to every single one of "your" endusers.

In the earlier days (when "Desktop Databases" were hot), developers like
Borland and even M$ were happy to simply sell their "Database Software
Development Products" to the people who were doing the actual "Enduser
Solution Software Developing".   Now days, companies like Borland and M$
also want to make money from "Your Customers".   So, they make money when
they originally sell their RAD to you..... then after you pour years of your
heart and soul into your product.... they continue earning every time "You
make a sale".   Their increased licensing fees and product upgrade cost
erode into your potential margins.

As a silent partner, earning money on your products, they share no
liabilities or direct support responsibilities.   Its simply win win for
them.... In addition, they can continuously change their core architecture
without any required consent or input from you (their money generating
partner) and force you to rewrite your code and possibly force your enduser
into additional upgrades or licensing fees.

See.... they can come back to the well.... time and time again.

Meanwhile.... "you get to hear" your customers complain about the rising
cost of "your" solutions.  To relieve your customers.... "you reduce your
margin"....

Is this the "new age environment" you were talking about?

You have to weigh the benefits over the actual cost.... Does the benefit of
any "actual" new technology offered in the new OS or database technology out
weigh the ongoing cost and entrapment you may find yourself and your
customers in?

I don't believe Corel is ignoring the BDE because it is "old
technology"..... I believe it has everything to do with $$.






>
> My situation is a little bit different.
> I have some hundreds registered users - who uses my Pdox apps. I
> personally know only about a dozen of them. I.e. the "normal way" is:
>  a user buys a pc with Windows. If then he needs an app like my
> medical sw, he purchase it. I can't tell the user that he should install
> Linux first, because I don't know them. If I would develop Linux sw,
> there were more than 95% market lost. Therefore it's impossible.
> Only if Linux would have more than about 20%, I could srtart to
> develop Linux sw - and therefore Linux is not a solution for
> me in the near future (some years).
>
=====================================

I don't 100% agree.  I believe it is possible to inform customers that your
next release will be run on Windows 98, 2K, XP and Linux (whatever distro).
It is reasonable to explain that your company has made a conscience decision
to abandon development on, say... "LegHorn" or whatever it will be called...
because of increased cost it may bring to your endusers (this is "assuming"
that the next Windows OS will break the BDE).  It wouldn't be difficult to
explain how your companies cost/benefit analysis on the situation has
determined that the change to support your product on the Linux platform in
the future is a positive direction.

Some endusers would go with you... others won't.   But if they keep their
current Windows Versions and your product... they can continue running
indefinitely.  It is not an abandonment to your clients.

Migrating to a Linux/WHINE configuration and using your existing application
code, also gives you time to write a front end client in a native Linux
language.... so it makes a perfectly logical business path to offer
continued uninterrupted support for your products to your endusers.

You might be surprised as to how many of your customers are willing to
change to Linux.... and may have already been thinking about it for some
time....

Have you ever thought about the idea that because your software applications
only runs on Windows, maybe your software has been the single reason for
them to keep using Windows?



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> I believe that much of the "innovation" brought to the table by M$ (and
even
> Borland) has much more to do with devising new methods to increase cash
flow
> into their pockets then it does with delivering better technology to the
> enduser.  Granted, some of the new technology brings important
improvements,
> but there is a trade off.... A very big and serious trade off.

it sounds like you don't like money. how do you pay your food?

.... no one company could develope new products, if they couldn't make profit
with it. they can't print money to pay the bills and personal. it's simple -
you need bucks to pay for your home, food, electricity ... why do you think,
sw-developer should live with little money?

> I believe Borland views the BDE as cash looser....  They sell it only
once.
> Whereas they can license their other database technologies over and over
> again.... to every single one of "your" endusers.

ok. BDE is cash looser. hide it away and take something better. the
alternative can't be - use it "forever".
who are the looser? Borland - ok, but the enduser too, because it is no more
developed, because it is a cash looser - a lose lose situation.
if Borland could make some profits, maybe they would guarantee the
development and the enduser would have not such complete losses - but some
profits too - a win win situation.

> In the earlier days (when "Desktop Databases" were hot), developers like
> Borland and even M$ were happy to simply sell their "Database Software
> Development Products" to the people who were doing the actual "Enduser
> Solution Software Developing".   Now days, companies like Borland and M$
> also want to make money from "Your Customers".   So, they make money when
> they originally sell their RAD to you..... then after you pour years of
your
> heart and soul into your product.... they continue earning every time "You
> make a sale".   Their increased licensing fees and product upgrade cost
> erode into your potential margins.

I agree. but you see it as a very "static" development. think like this:

.... everything want to be bigger and bigger - until it reaches a size, which
makes it lazy. in that situation it cannot control all small units and it
begin to lose its size. and a small unit will be bigger and bigger ...

you want to have Linux bigger and bigger ...
if Linux sometimes would have 95%, there were much more people, who lives
from Linux and sw for Linux and there were more sw companies, which would
make similar conditions for Linux sw, like we have it now with Windows.
This is the "Way of life" in this world you can't change. ok you can have
your ideas and be happy with it, but this would change only your own world,
if you are ready to live that way.

.... and the next - if M$ will be such a big and bad company, which only wish
money from other people - i.e. cost / benefit is no more given, then M$
begin to lose to some small companies (Linux, ...) ..... and so on ...

but all these things happens in long term periods - it's sure, that we have
the next 5 years M$ dominance ... but what is in 20 years - nobody knows.

and that Windows has more than 95% has some positive issues too: it's easier
and cheaper to develop only for one OS. if there were 3-4 big OS systems,
many small companies could have more problems to survive.

> Meanwhile.... "you get to hear" your customers complain about the rising
> cost of "your" solutions.  To relieve your customers.... "you reduce your
> margin"....

if once this point will be reached (and it were a problem for me), I would
think about alternatives.
but it's not very simple to change the system. f.e. I've to register my
medical sw after every "big" changes. and it would be more complicated for
me to develop different versions (probably because different OS could have
different possibilities, other programming languages, ...).

> Is this the "new age environment" you were talking about?

think only about the new hw since last 10 years. 1994 we had win 3.1. how
many people works today with win 3.1? I think, 2007 the same number will
work with win 95/98/ME and 2012 the same with win 2000 and XP ...
you can't use the same old sw (f.e. BDE too) without changes for many years.
there are new hw, sw ... which needs new drivers, ... and (as example) I
think, that it is not very easy to find win 3.1 drivers today ... what will
you do in 2008, if you can't get ink for your printer and there are no new
printer, which support win 95?
do you think, you can use 3,5" discs 2010? if yes - dream on.

> You have to weigh the benefits over the actual cost.... Does the benefit
of
> any "actual" new technology offered in the new OS or database technology
out
> weigh the ongoing cost and entrapment you may find yourself and your
> customers in?

and I have to think about the future too. if you can see, that the direction
goes to Pdox funeral, I've to think about alternatives at the right time -
and not if it's too late. there is too much for me to lose ...
if Corel would say (like Liz says), that they let develop new Win-version at
India (to save costs), there will be no problem for me to stay with Pdox.
but I need the guarantee. I can't wait until Pdox is dead and I have nothing
for new users and the old ones change the sw to something, which works with
the "new age environment" ...

> I don't believe Corel is ignoring the BDE because it is "old
> technology"..... I believe it has everything to do with $$.

everything has to do with $$ - even you don't know about it ...

Ivan


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"moroivan"  wrote:
> >
> > I believe that much of the "innovation" brought to the table by
> > M$ (and even Borland) has much more to do with devising
> > new methods to increase cash flow into their pockets then it
> > does with delivering better technology to the enduser.
> > Granted, some of the new technology brings important
> > improvements, but there is a trade off.... A very big and
> > serious trade off.
>
> it sounds like you don't like money. how do you pay your food?
>
==================

Ivan,
On the contrary.  Earning money is the core reason behind all that we do.
But it should not be the soul reason.  Delivering quality and value to our
customers should also rate high on our motivations.  I not only want to make
profits, I also want to deliver the "best product".

When I purchase an OS upgrade or choose any software, I expect "something of
substance".  Instead, I seem to get nothing more then a more colorful user
interface, extra third party solutions that break my already installed third
party solutions (that I paid for and do the same thing... only better.)...
and added changes that break with recognized industry wide standards for
what appears to be nothing more then a mechanism to entrap me into their
solutions for the long term.

So... if Borland and / or Microsoft want to push expensive regurgitations of
the same thing done my throat and my customers throat for the "soul purpose"
of generating more cash and to further entrap myself and my customers, I
have an issue with it.  Especially if they're dipping into my clients
pockets and making me look bad.



> ... no one company could develope new products, if they couldn't
> make profit with it. they can't print money to pay the bills and
> personal. it's simple - you need bucks to pay for your home, food,
> electricity ... why do you think, sw-developer should live with little
> money?
>
================
Again, this is totally opposite of my complaint.

Any product will bear a certain dollar value.  For example, (just for
discussion purposes)... say your software solution sells for $1,000.   If
your competition came out with a similar product and wanted to sell it for
$20,000 and there was not enough added value difference between your product
and theirs to substantiate the extra $19,000... Who would spend the extra
$19,000 for their solution?

Over time, a product solution finds a value range in terms of dollars that
customers are willing to pay for it.

Example, if your product addresses the needs to a particular vertical
market, normal accepted pricing will become established over time.  Your
product may be acceptable @ $1,000.  but not at $3,500.  The same holds true
if you were to drop your selling price to $50.  People would stay away from
it because they expected to pay $1000.  At $50, your product (in their
minds) MUST be no good.... even though it might even be superior.

So... you have determined that you can earn a profit @ $1000 and the market
will accept that selling price.  Now... suddenly things change on your
end... You can no longer deliver your application with the BDE... but now
must consider a Server / Client solution that will add substantial cost to
your product if you intend to still realize a profit.

Your $1000 product now cost the enduser an extra $8,000 for the SQL Server
Hardware (approx. $3,000), SQL Server Software (approx $2,500), Client
Licenses, (added cost for a more complex installation and setup approx.
$2,000).   So.... suddenly, your $1000 solution suddenly becomes a $9,000
solution and "you aren't making any more money".... and your product isn't
delivering an extra $8,000 of value to your customer.  In fact, the new
Server Client technology presents your enduser with another layer of complex
configurations and costly maintenance considerations.

In the scenario above... who do you think is earning the larger share of
"your" customers money?

If you need to lower your pricing in order to remain competitive, where are
you going to erode it from?  Your $1,000 portion?  All your other cost are
fixed.

So... if you can keep your present solution (using the BDE) and your
competition migrates to a more costly solution... you could actually
increase your selling price from $1,000 to $2,000 and still be $6,000 less
expensive then those who migrated away.  You could also use the extra
earnings to further develop your solution and add features that add more
value.  You solution could be better then anything on the market and still
be less expensive then the competition.

So... see, profit is important.... and I would rather keep those profits
then give them away to the likes of Microsoft.


>
> ... and the next - if M$ will be such a big and bad company, which
> only wish money from other people - i.e. cost / benefit is no more
> given, then M$ begin to lose to some small companies (Linux, ...)
> ..... and so on ...
>
> but all these things happens in long term periods - it's sure, that
> we have the next 5 years M$ dominance ... but what is in 20
> years - nobody knows.
>
=====================
There are indicators that point to the potential of a much swifter change
over possible on the horizon.  For example, the computer hardware industry
is expecting a good year for new computer sales because there is a lot of
aging PC's in service right now.  Serious marketing efforts by IBM with
customers in the "corporate users" market is attempting to jump start the
acceptance of Linux on the desktop.  On the backend, Linux is already a shoe
in.  I don't believe that asking a customer to consider using Linux in order
to use your solution is a big draw back at this time.  Especially when it
can be demonstrated that they can save considerably over the M$ route... and
possibly enjoy even greater security.


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moroivan wrote:

> 
> and that Windows has more than 95% has some positive issues too: it's easier
> and cheaper to develop only for one OS. if there were 3-4 big OS systems,
> many small companies could have more problems to survive.
> 

First, download NetBeans, or Eclipse. They're both free, so there is no 
cheapest. Then develop in java. It's easyer than C++, Delphi or VB. Java 
runs anywhere. And finally you find out that it's easier and cheaper to 
develop cross platform!

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"Manolis Christodoulou"  wrote:
>
> First, download NetBeans, or Eclipse. They're both free, so
> there is no cheapest. Then develop in java. It's easyer than
> C++, Delphi or VB. Java runs anywhere. And finally you find
> out that it's easier and cheaper to  develop cross platform!
>
==============

Manolis,

You're correct that Java is cross platform, and the Java RAD may be free...
however, it may not be the cheapest solution.  First, price the cost of a
Java Server and client licenses..... plus the cost to develop the solution.

Ivan already has completed and working Paradox code.  Paradox runtime is
free for him and there is no additional Server cost required for the BDE.
Preliminary test are showing us that Paradox will run in a Linux / WHINE
environment, so Paradox is cross platform too.   Therefore, Ivan's least
expensive solution is the one he already has.

Ivan's concern is that the next Windows version "may" break the BDE and
there will be no updating or fix for it by Borland or Corel.  This would
mean that his application will only work on Linux and older Windows
platforms (this is all based on the presumption and speculation that the
next Windows version will break the BDE).

My point was to not worry about it.  If Windows breaks the BDE, simply
abandon Windows and convince your customers it is the right way to go.  If
the next Windows breaks the BDE... it will most certainly break many other
legacy applications too.  I believe there would be enough ill feelings
against Microsoft by all the end users of broken legacy applications that
moving to Linux would be a welcome alternative.


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> > and that Windows has more than 95% has some positive issues too: it's
easier
> > and cheaper to develop only for one OS. if there were 3-4 big OS
systems,
> > many small companies could have more problems to survive.
> >
>
> First, download NetBeans, or Eclipse. They're both free, so there is no
> cheapest. Then develop in java. It's easyer than C++, Delphi or VB. Java
> runs anywhere. And finally you find out that it's easier and cheaper to
> develop cross platform!

I have Java (and Delphi and C++ and VBA, ...), but Java is too slow. I've
sometimes to handle with databases which contains over 100.000 records.

> Ivan's concern is that the next Windows version "may" break the BDE and
> there will be no updating or fix for it by Borland or Corel.  This would
> mean that his application will only work on Linux and older Windows
> platforms (this is all based on the presumption and speculation that the
> next Windows version will break the BDE).

if not the next version, sometimes (not very far away) it will happen.
- the point is, I don't know, when it happens and until tere's no assurance,
that Pdox will be updated, I cannot risk to be surprised with a new
win-version and have nothing.
- without updates even Pdox 10 is usable probably the next 2 (maximum 5)
years - because of common hw + sw development. later it will be "too old"
for some new features.
- i.e. it is necessary, that Pdox will be updatet from time to time (at
least every 5 years a new version).

> My point was to not worry about it.  If Windows breaks the BDE, simply
> abandon Windows and convince your customers it is the right way to go.  If
> the next Windows breaks the BDE... it will most certainly break many other
> legacy applications too.  I believe there would be enough ill feelings
> against Microsoft by all the end users of broken legacy applications that
> moving to Linux would be a welcome alternative.

this is not a solution for new customers, which purchase later a new pc with
new Windows, where Pdox can't be used. it is only a solution for (some
parts) of exisiting users.
I'm not shure, if the user will skip from Windows to Linux until there are
other Windows apps, which can be used. some of them yes, but not all - and
there will be no new users (and Linux users are not enugh).

let's hope, that Corel / Venture make an "Indian" Pdox-version very soon (or
at least, they post some good news about Pdox future).

Ivan


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Hi Rodney,

Sorry to butt in here at the end of this but I see the fact that Paradox and
the BDE work under Linux from a different perspective............

By running a debug version of wine, we can see what calls the BDE is making
to the OS to do its job. In theory this will allow us to see why/how the BDE
is failing under the "non BDE friendly" version of windows. Once this has
been established we can create our own DLL to act as a sort of interpreter,
changing old OS calls into new ones. If this is not a goer then we can
always look at the DLL injection method to allow us to patch the BDE in
memory - somewhat more complex though.

Having said all of that, I really do not expect the BDE to fail in the near
future simply because M$oft has gone to alot of trouble to get gamers
onside. It is my bet that these games will break before the BDE does.

Leslie.


"Liz" <liz@paradoxcommunity.com> wrote in message
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> Rodney,
>
> I disagree, and Dan A. has said in the past that this needn't be
> so.  There's no reason you can't keep ObjectPAL.  No reason the
> data model concept can't be maintained.  No reason you can't have
> all the same UIObjects there are now.  Paradox could be rebuilt,
> from the ground up. and support already existing Paradox apps and
> code such that those apps would only need minor changes.
>
> Of course, they'd want to build in new things as well... :-)
>
> Ivan,
>
> As Rodney said, the BDE and Paradox are heavily intertwined.  Not
> by convenient, re-do-able calls to one another, but hard coded
> together.  Dan A. also said the Paradox source, is, basically, a
> mess.  Different parts are written in different languages and
> it's no longer a "clean" collection of organized source.  I
> expect it would actually be cheaper and faster to rebuild than to
> extract the BDE.
>
> Liz
>
>
> Rodney Wise wrote:
> >
> > ...  The resulting application would not look or act like Paradox for
> > Windows.
>
>


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Leslie,

I hope you're correct.
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Subject: Re: simple BDE question
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Here's an interesting article about a company who was / is a M$ partner and
suddenly found itself in direct competition against its own partner.

(By the way, this is the typical M.O. for M$.... that is why I refuse to
partner with them... It always amazes me that ANY developer or company can
knowingly overlook the true nature of M$ and try to advance themselves and /
or their company by partnering with M$... thinking they are some how immune
to the infamous M$ deal.)

Anyways, here's the article... it explains how to survive the death nail of
the M$ Partnership.....

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107_2-5139160.html


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It's true. Delphi for .Net supports and ships with the BDE.
http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,30387,00.html


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> But.... we Paradox peeps really need the BDE and Paradox to run on Linux,
if
> we are going to have a future beyond the next few years.

Hi Rodney

Wasn't it you who posted pics of the BDE Admin running on Linux?

BDE on Linux 7.1
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=LinuxParadoxBDE.png&btnG=Google+Search

Guess it didn't turn out too well?


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Oh wait that post was a month after this last post, Oh well. Still
interesting in hearing the final result :-)


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BCB,

Yes, those images came from the BDE running on RH 7.1 which uses and old
GLIBC library.  Also, note, that the BDE in my test was installed using an
old, now unsupported version of WordPerfect 2000 for Linux.

Some people here have recently conducted preliminary test using more current
versions of Linux which uses the newer GLIBC library.  They have reported
being able to get the BDE running (not the one included in the WordPerfect
2000 for Linux).

I'm not aware of any these test where the BDE has been put through its test
in a multi user scenario requiring the use of a common NetDir or file
locking.

The objective is to get the BDE running under WINE and not one of the
Windows Emulators that also require an installation of Windows 95 or 98 also
(to get the use of original M$ DLL's).   We're looking for a 100% free from
Windows solution.

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Rodney, thanks for the update :-)


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"Rodney Wise" <NoSpamPleaserwise@gate.net> wrote in message
news:40040f60$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
>
>
> Anyways, here's the article... it explains how to survive the death nail of
> the M$ Partnership.....
>
> http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107_2-5139160.html

Rodney, I read your link, but I don't see how ACCPAC got screwed in their
partnership with MS.  MS did buy Great Plains, and this does hurt ACCPAC.  But
wouldn't ACCPAC get hurt just the same if they were not a MS Partner?

I've read several cases of MS screwing their "partner".  I'm sure you could
find a better example than this.

BTW, I suspect the Great Plains owners were quite satisfied with the their
partnership with MS.




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Subject: QC: Please Vote for BDE report# 7089 on Quality Central
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Hello,

Many of you are aware of the old BDE bug which misreports the available hard
disk space when the actually there is more than enough. It happens when the
available disk space is a multiple of 4gb. More users are upgrading their
pc's these days so this will make the error appear more often than before.
So if you folks can go and please vote for report#: 7089 on Borland's
Quality Central this would
perhaps better the chances that Borland will fix this bug. Thanks!

This topic was originally started in the QualityCentral and BDE sections of
the Borland
newsgroups:
http://newsgroups.borland.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&group=borland.public.bdn.qualitycentral&xrelated=4208&cmd_related=Related+Items

http://newsgroups.borland.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?utag=&group=borland.public.bde&xrelated=36221&cmd_related=Related+Items

Download the QC client from
http://qc.borland.com

And register a login and password.

It may be too late to request a fix, we should have all grouped together a
long time ago and shown Borland how important this is to us still using the
BDE. But better late than never , I still think that if all(or enough) of
the BDE users vote for this bug to be fixed it might just get Borland's
attention. Worth it and nothing to lose, is there ;-)


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http://ibinstall.defined.net/dl_bdeinfo.htm

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Rodney:
Just tried it.
Did not preserve all BDE settings.
Net dir lost
paradox aliases (aliai?) lost.
looks like a few other settings set back to default
Mark B.

Rodney Wise wrote:

> http://ibinstall.defined.net/dl_bdeinfo.htm
> 

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"Mark Bannister"  wrote:
>
> Rodney:
> Just tried it.
> Did not preserve all BDE settings.
> Net dir lost
> paradox aliases (aliai?) lost.
> looks like a few other settings set back to default
>
>===========

Mark,

I believe the intent of the utility is to install the BDE (Version 5.2) onto
a new system and NOT to be used as an update to an existing BDE
installation.

BDE Settings, including the NetDir and Aliases, would have to be established
via code within your application.  Which would be the way I'd recommend
anyways.


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Also:
You could also preserve your BDE settings by using a custom IDAPI.cfg file
saved within your Application directory and referenced within your
applications startup command line.

This (custom) IDAPI.cfg file would be unaffected by the BDE installation
utility.

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Rodney,

It's not _your_ BDE settings you should be concerned about (how to handle
those is easy) - it's the BDE settings made by already installed
applications before you start.  This is why Borland has that BDE merge
thingy - so that one app doesn't screw up previous apps (which BDE installs
are currently famous for and which probably doesn't help our cause in the
slightest).

Liz


Rodney Wise wrote:
> 
> Also:
> You could also preserve your BDE settings by using a custom IDAPI.cfg file
> saved within your Application directory and referenced within your
> applications startup command line.
> 
> This (custom) IDAPI.cfg file would be unaffected by the BDE installation
> utility.
> 
> --
> ...
>     `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney

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"Liz"  wrote:
>
> It's not _your_ BDE settings you should be concerned about
> (how to handle those is easy) - it's the BDE settings made
> by already installed applications before you start.  This is
> why Borland has that BDE merge thingy - so that one app
> doesn't screw up previous apps (which BDE installs are
> currently famous for and which probably doesn't help our
> cause in the slightest).
>
==============

You are absolutely correct.

However, note that this utility is coming from a site that supports
InterBase and FireBird installations and was written by Delphi users.   As
BDE users, we (Paradox Application Developers) should always plan for and
deal with potential damaging BDE alterations brought on by Developers using
other technologies (such as Delphi).   This utility is an example of the
kind of code that could cause your Paradox application to stop running if it
were installed on a PC where your application is running.

That is why I advocate that we (Paradox Application Developers) control ALL
IDAPI.cfg settings from within our applications each time our applications
start AND (as a good neighbor) return those settings to their original
configurations when we're done.

Its obvious that this utility should not be used on a system that already
has a BDE installed or it may damage an already installed BDE dependant
application.  It's also obvious that these types of BDE installation
utilities do exist and can damage our Paradox applications when, for
example, a Delphi application is installed.  As some developers obviously do
not consider maintaining the integrity of other BDE applications during
their installation process, we should always at least consider OUR OWN and
always assure that the IDAPI.CFG is correct for OUR applications when they
start.  If we do that, then we should have no concern regarding what other
applications do to the IDAPI.CFG file..... That includes using this utility
which creates a "default setting" for the IDAPI.CFG file.

I don't believe we should "trust" that the IDAPI.cfg settings will always
remain static on any PC.  With that in mind, we should consider "managing"
the IDAPI.cfg file configuration settings every time our applications start.


-- 
....
    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney


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Hi Mark,

I took a good look at this some time back.............

1. Does not preserve the settings because it is purposely setting them to
its own defaults.
2. Net dir is altered - you should never rely upon this anyway, set it in
your code.
3. My aliases were preserved.

In essence this is the typical thing I deal with constantly. The "default"
settings for one are not correct for another. You really should never *ever*
rely upon anything in the cfg file remaining present from day to day. I
strongly recommend you set everything you rely upon in your code every time
you launch - including local share, net file path and even things like BDE
date settings.

Having said that it does add a bunch of drivers that I never use and for
that main reason I created my own BDE installation using installshield
express (the utility above uses Wise which I don't really like that much).
On the flip side the utility does at least provide an on/off switch for
interbase dialects.

My 2 cents...
Leslie.

"Mark Bannister" <MarkThis@RemoveInjection-Moldings.com> wrote in message
news:407d49e3$1@pnews.paradoxcommunity.com...
> Rodney:
> Just tried it.
> Did not preserve all BDE settings.
> Net dir lost
> paradox aliases (aliai?) lost.
> looks like a few other settings set back to default
> Mark B.
>
> Rodney Wise wrote:
>
> > http://ibinstall.defined.net/dl_bdeinfo.htm
> >
>


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Rodney,
AFAIK, you cannot use this install to upgrade your BDE 5.1.1.1 to
5.2.0.2
(i.e. if you have P10 (5.111) and want to upgrade )
This install needs you have Delphi or C++ on your PC)
Régis

Rodney Wise a écrit :
> 
> http://ibinstall.defined.net/dl_bdeinfo.htm
> 
> --
> ...
>     `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney
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I upgraded a Pdox 9 installation.  No Delphi or C++

Régis Duc Dodon wrote:
> Rodney,
> AFAIK, you cannot use this install to upgrade your BDE 5.1.1.1 to
> 5.2.0.2
> (i.e. if you have P10 (5.111) and want to upgrade )
> This install needs you have Delphi or C++ on your PC)
> Régis
> 
> Rodney Wise a écrit :
> 
>>http://ibinstall.defined.net/dl_bdeinfo.htm
>>
>>--
>>...
>>    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney

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I have a problem with BDE (Delphi 5).
There are some table written in Paradox that have to be shared in a lan (the
software is written in Delphi5).
Some computer have Windows XP Professional and other have Windows 98.
Sometime I can't open the program that give me error on kernel32.dll and
don't start.
Other time it work fine.
Other time i have problem and error in sharing the table
("the table is controlled by other file.net pdoxusers.lck...")
I have set on all pc LOCAL SHARE=TRUE and the NET DIR is ok.....
HELP HELP HELP.


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I occasionally had similar problems when switching locations of the BDE
config. file, for example, to use different "databases" -- a development
copy on my machine, vs. the "live" version on a server.  I would have
different shortcuts that included the -o command-line option which set the
BDE file to various locations.  Sometimes the *.LCK files would not be
deleted correctly.

Check for old *.LCK files in both your working directory and private
directory (or any directory which contains tables you are accessing) and
delete them.  Do this ONLY if you are sure nobody else is using Pdox or the
Delphi application at the time.

Check to make sure everybody is using the same NET dir file and the same BDE
config file (or at least the same copy).

HTH,
- Mark Weimer.


"nikventola" <nikventola@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40aa1c57@pnews.paradoxcommunity.com...
> I have a problem with BDE (Delphi 5).
> There are some table written in Paradox that have to be shared in a lan
(the
> software is written in Delphi5).
> Some computer have Windows XP Professional and other have Windows 98.
> Sometime I can't open the program that give me error on kernel32.dll and
> don't start.
> Other time it work fine.
> Other time i have problem and error in sharing the table
> ("the table is controlled by other file.net pdoxusers.lck...")
> I have set on all pc LOCAL SHARE=TRUE and the NET DIR is ok.....
> HELP HELP HELP.
>
>


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I have an application written in Borland C++ v6 using the BDE with Paradox
v7 tables.

On one pc when trying to run the app I get an error 'unable to carry out
this operation on a closed dataset'.
The same files run fine on another PC so I assume there is no corruption or
index mismatch.

I have tried deleting the .lck files but this has made no difference.
I have copied all tables, index files, Ynn and Xnn files to the 'good' PC
and all works ok - back copying these files to the 'faulty' pc has no
effect - still the same error.

Is there some sort of table state flag I don't know about in a config file
somewhere?

Any help much appreciated.

George



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George wrote:

> I have an application written in Borland C++ v6 using the BDE with Paradox
> v7 tables.
> 
> On one pc when trying to run the app I get an error 'unable to carry out
> this operation on a closed dataset'.
> The same files run fine on another PC so I assume there is no corruption
> or index mismatch.
> 
> I have tried deleting the .lck files but this has made no difference.
> I have copied all tables, index files, Ynn and Xnn files to the 'good' PC
> and all works ok - back copying these files to the 'faulty' pc has no
> effect - still the same error.
> 
> Is there some sort of table state flag I don't know about in a config file
> somewhere?


I'd say that the root cause of the problem is some exception condition that
occurred "upstream" of this point in your code, which you do not check for.

-----------------------
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I concurr.

I already point my code to my own config file but can anyone tell me how to
find out if there is a pre-existing active config so that it can be returned
as the default on app exit?

I am working in C++ Builder6 using the BDE and am potentially your worse
nightmare!

George

"Rodney Wise" <NoMoreSpamPleaserodney@ars-florida.com> wrote in message
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> "Liz"  wrote:
> >
> > It's not _your_ BDE settings you should be concerned about
> > (how to handle those is easy) - it's the BDE settings made
> > by already installed applications before you start.  This is
> > why Borland has that BDE merge thingy - so that one app
> > doesn't screw up previous apps (which BDE installs are
> > currently famous for and which probably doesn't help our
> > cause in the slightest).
> >
> ==============
>
> You are absolutely correct.
>
> However, note that this utility is coming from a site that supports
> InterBase and FireBird installations and was written by Delphi users.   As
> BDE users, we (Paradox Application Developers) should always plan for and
> deal with potential damaging BDE alterations brought on by Developers
using
> other technologies (such as Delphi).   This utility is an example of the
> kind of code that could cause your Paradox application to stop running if
it
> were installed on a PC where your application is running.
>
> That is why I advocate that we (Paradox Application Developers) control
ALL
> IDAPI.cfg settings from within our applications each time our applications
> start AND (as a good neighbor) return those settings to their original
> configurations when we're done.
>
> Its obvious that this utility should not be used on a system that already
> has a BDE installed or it may damage an already installed BDE dependant
> application.  It's also obvious that these types of BDE installation
> utilities do exist and can damage our Paradox applications when, for
> example, a Delphi application is installed.  As some developers obviously
do
> not consider maintaining the integrity of other BDE applications during
> their installation process, we should always at least consider OUR OWN and
> always assure that the IDAPI.CFG is correct for OUR applications when they
> start.  If we do that, then we should have no concern regarding what other
> applications do to the IDAPI.CFG file..... That includes using this
utility
> which creates a "default setting" for the IDAPI.CFG file.
>
> I don't believe we should "trust" that the IDAPI.cfg settings will always
> remain static on any PC.  With that in mind, we should consider "managing"
> the IDAPI.cfg file configuration settings every time our applications
start.
>
>
> --
> ...
>     `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney
>
>


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George,

I believe that if you point your app to a separate IDAPI.cfg file and alter
it, it will have no effect on the "Default" IDAPI.cfg.  So, any app using
the "Default" IDAPI.cfg file would suffer no issues.

Someone else here will have to address the question about the use of 2
separate IDAPI.cfg files "concurrently" on the same PC and having
differently settings.   I have never tested that.

-- 
....
    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney


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We are running Paradox 10 on a Win2000 network.  One of the on the machines
on the network running Paradox is a WinXP machine.  Everything was working
fine until yesterday.  One of the Win2000 users got locked out of Paradox.
He is the only one locked out.  Everyone else can open Paradox
simultaneously.  The error message he gets is:

"Could not initialize BDE.  You have attempted to open a database that is in
use by someone else, but the database cannot be shared.  You must set the
location for the .NET control file."

I have checked the BDE and all Local Shares are set to TRUE.  The local
shared drive for everyone is E:\rpfpdox, EXCEPT the WinXP machine is
F:\rpfpdox because that machine has 2 CD-Rom drives (D\ and E\).

I've deleted all the .lck and .net files and restarted the machines and
still that one computer can not open Paradox.

What is the problem?


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<<<
I have checked the BDE and all Local Shares are set to TRUE.  The local
shared drive for everyone is E:\rpfpdox, EXCEPT the WinXP machine is
F:\rpfpdox because that machine has 2 CD-Rom drives (D\ and E\).
>>>

How is NETDIR specified on the failing machine, and how it is specified on
the other machines?



-- 
Bertil Isberg - CTECH
Paradox buglist:
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Original PC is Win 2000. New PC is XP. Both running Paradox 10. I'm having 
trouble using ODBC aliases on the new box. I can set up ODBC drivers, follow 
up in the BDE, create an alias and connect (Tools | Alias Manager | 
Connect).

I can open/run existing queries which use ODBC alias tables. However I can't 
open a table or use a table in a new query. When I try this I'll select an 
alias from the drop down list, the screen will flicker/flash briefly and 
I'll still be functioning with :WORK:.

Standard driver aliases work fine.

The primary ODBC types I'm using are SQL Server and Client Access 32-bit for 
an AS/400. Behavior is the same for either type of alias. 


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Mike

The problem you describe was introduced with Win XP SP2.  You can still open
a tableview from ObjectPAL. You can select a table to be included in a
form's datamodel. You can that way create datamodels and open a query based
on the datamodel.

-- 
Bertil Isberg - CTECH
Paradox buglist:
online:       http://w1.826.comhem.se/~u82608896/
FAQ newsgroup: corel.wpoffice.paradox-faq


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Bertil,

Thanks.

"Bertil Isberg" <bertil.isberg@NOcomhemSPAMdotse> wrote in message
news:4220f2f1$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Mike
>
> The problem you describe was introduced with Win XP SP2.  You can still
open
> a tableview from ObjectPAL. You can select a table to be included in a
> form's datamodel. You can that way create datamodels and open a query
based
> on the datamodel.
>
> --
> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
> Paradox buglist:
> online:       http://w1.826.comhem.se/~u82608896/
> FAQ newsgroup: corel.wpoffice.paradox-faq
>
>


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Hi,
which it is the tie between IDAPI.CFG and the BDE settings in the HKLM
registry of pc?
I have modified the registry values, but the parameters in BDE Administrator
are not change.

Thanks

-- 
   il tedesco 


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I have 1 client out of 5 that continously suffers from errors created by
loss of connectivity to their server database while running our application.
Luckily, this is isolated to this 1 client, therefore, I know it is not an
application error.  However, this does me no good.  I've relayed this
information to them and asked that their IT department look at improving the
network configuration to alleviate the problem.  Their IT department has
played around, but to no avail.  They've admitted there is a problem with
the network and they've asked if we can modify our application to lengthen
the timeout attempt.  I have no idea of how to accomplish this with Paradox
10....I thought maybe the BDE would be the answer, but to be honest...there
are so many settings in there, I'm afraid to just go changing things in
there without some additional understanding....can anyone help?


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Beth wrote:

> I have 1 client out of 5 that continously suffers from errors created by loss
> of connectivity to their server database while running our application.

then stop supporting them til they fix it.. ultimately, there is no setting that
will protect your tables if this is a regular problem.. eventually and/or
regularly, you're gonna have damaged tables.. in this case, you're only the
messenger.. it's *their* data, not yours.. doesn't matter that it's your app..
it's *their* data.. there's nothing you can do, to guarantee data integrity, if
their network is unstable..

I'll bet they don't have UPS's, either..

--
Steven Green - Waldorf Maryland USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales - Corel CTech Paradox
---------------------------------------------------
Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Trading Cards and other Sports Memorabilia
---------------------------------------------------


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Beth,

There's not really anything you can do, that I know of, to make a
"standard" Paradox application less sensitive to network
connectivity.  I suppose you could lengthen the refresh / retry period
in Paradox, but that's not gonna help if a person tries to do
something (save, open a form, run a report) in the moment when their
network connection is disconnected.

It's really not that hard to have a reliable network, and if only on
user (or is it one site?) has the problem, it's really pretty simple -
that's one NIC, one cable (path), one switch, one patch panel (jack)
to look at - one path from client to server.

FWIW,

Liz


Beth wrote:
> 
> I have 1 client out of 5 that continously suffers from errors created by
> loss of connectivity to their server database while running our application.
> Luckily, this is isolated to this 1 client, therefore, I know it is not an
> application error.  However, this does me no good.  I've relayed this
> information to them and asked that their IT department look at improving the
> network configuration to alleviate the problem.  Their IT department has
> played around, but to no avail.  They've admitted there is a problem with
> the network and they've asked if we can modify our application to lengthen
> the timeout attempt.  I have no idea of how to accomplish this with Paradox
> 10....I thought maybe the BDE would be the answer, but to be honest...there
> are so many settings in there, I'm afraid to just go changing things in
> there without some additional understanding....can anyone help?
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Beth,

Our methods are written in a way that protects existing data before we
change it.

For key tables, we maintain archive versions of those tables.  For example,
a table that contains "Items" has a corresponding "ArcItems" table.

Before we do anything to change the data in the Items table, we add the data
to be processed to the ArcItems table.  It adds a very small amount of time
to the process, but it gives us added security.

If the method then fails before completion, it is a relatively simple matter
to track down the saved records in ArcItems and add them back to Items.

In your situation, of course, the most important thing you can do is to have
the client's IT team address the reliability issue.  They should be asked to
quantify their quality of service goals, to measure performance against
those goals and to address performance shortfalls.

Jean


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I agree with Steve, you should insist that the IT/MIS dept fix the issue.
On the side, you can switch the client to a terminal server architecture and
make their workstations act a dumb terminals so that even if they get
disconnected from the LAN, they will not damage the table.

Gene


"Beth" <beth@advbuspro.com> wrote in message
news:423604fe@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> I have 1 client out of 5 that continously suffers from errors created by
> loss of connectivity to their server database while running our
application.
> Luckily, this is isolated to this 1 client, therefore, I know it is not an
> application error.  However, this does me no good.  I've relayed this
> information to them and asked that their IT department look at improving
the
> network configuration to alleviate the problem.  Their IT department has
> played around, but to no avail.  They've admitted there is a problem with
> the network and they've asked if we can modify our application to lengthen
> the timeout attempt.  I have no idea of how to accomplish this with
Paradox
> 10....I thought maybe the BDE would be the answer, but to be
honest...there
> are so many settings in there, I'm afraid to just go changing things in
> there without some additional understanding....can anyone help?
>
>


From - Tue Sep 19 07:06:51 2006
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One of our Paradox 8 applications includes two additional applications,
which run in the Paradox window and are implemented as DLLs in Delphi.
The Paradox clients are strictly local (forms, tables etc).
The only common part of the application is the Oracle SQL server,
which is accessed through BDE+ODBC.

All three (Paradox and the two DLLs) do access the BDE.

We believe that this causes the BDE to "hang" (stop, freeze)
after some time.

Symptoms:
- paradox not responding to events, menu bar gets white,
   application window gets white
- logfiles can not be written [TextStream ts,
   ts.open(":priv:file.txt","a") fails]
- DLLs have errors when they try to access the database

Sometimes it happens after a few minutes, or after some hours,
sometimes it does not happen at all for the whole working day.

Does anyone have any idea why the BDE could freeze?

Thanks in advance,
Uwe
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Uwe,

What's the operating system, including patch level?

Liz


Uwe Lauth wrote:
> 
> One of our Paradox 8 applications includes two additional applications,
> which run in the Paradox window and are implemented as DLLs in Delphi.
> The Paradox clients are strictly local (forms, tables etc).
> The only common part of the application is the Oracle SQL server,
> which is accessed through BDE+ODBC.
> 
> All three (Paradox and the two DLLs) do access the BDE.
> 
> We believe that this causes the BDE to "hang" (stop, freeze)
> after some time.
> 
> Symptoms:
> - paradox not responding to events, menu bar gets white,
>    application window gets white
> - logfiles can not be written [TextStream ts,
>    ts.open(":priv:file.txt","a") fails]
> - DLLs have errors when they try to access the database
> 
> Sometimes it happens after a few minutes, or after some hours,
> sometimes it does not happen at all for the whole working day.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea why the BDE could freeze?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Uwe
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Wow, Liz, what a fast reply :-)

XP SP 2.
Paradox 8 Runtime english.
BDE 5.0.1 or 5.1.1.1 (can tell it tomorrow)

Uwe
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SP2 for XP broke how Paradox deals with ODBC data sources.  Check out the
-client_server group.

Liz


Uwe Lauth wrote:
> 
> Wow, Liz, what a fast reply :-)
> 
> XP SP 2.
> Paradox 8 Runtime english.
> BDE 5.0.1 or 5.1.1.1 (can tell it tomorrow)
> 
> Uwe
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Uwe Lauth wrote:

> Wow, Liz, what a fast reply :-)

fast?.. both of her replies were posted three minutes before you even
asked the question (g)..


--
Steven Green - Waldorf Maryland USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales - Corel CTech Paradox
---------------------------------------------------
Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Trading Cards and other Sports Memorabilia
---------------------------------------------------


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Just trying to live up to my title... <g>

Liz


Steven Green wrote:
> 
> fast?.. both of her replies were posted three minutes before you even
> asked the question (g)..
>
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Uwe Lauth wrote:

> One of our Paradox 8 applications includes two additional applications,
> which run in the Paradox window and are implemented as DLLs in Delphi.
> The Paradox clients are strictly local (forms, tables etc).
> The only common part of the application is the Oracle SQL server,
> which is accessed through BDE+ODBC.
> 
> All three (Paradox and the two DLLs) do access the BDE.
> 
> We believe that this causes the BDE to "hang" (stop, freeze)
> after some time.

An application can freeze for many reasons, ceasing to process Windows 
messages (which is why the screen goes white).  Let's work on the 
hypothesis, lacking anything better to try, that it's caused by ODBC.

An ODBC logging application can be used to record the ODBC traffic and keep 
statistics about it.

When an application does lock up, a TCP/IP monitor can look at what it's 
saying to the world.  A simpler test would be to grab the network cable and 
unplug it from the back of the desktop machine...  and see if that causes 
the application to unfreeze.

-----------------------
ChimneySweep(R): Fast(!) table maintenance at a click of the mouse!
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> SP2 for XP broke how Paradox deals with ODBC data sources.  Check out the
> -client_server group.

But so far the "only" problem reported has been the interactive parts, 
file-open-table etc. Everything that has to do with ODBC and is handled in 
code has continued to work - even with SP2. At least that is how I 
understand it.

The description:

"Sometimes it happens after a few minutes, or after some hours,
sometimes it does not happen at all for the whole working day."

doesn't fit the XP SP2 - ODBC problem.


Anders 


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I agree with the others.

However, has that IT department checked to make sure ALL power save options
are disabled?  Including putting the NIC cards to sleep (both server and
workstations)?

Is write cache disabled on ALL hd that allow it?

Have oplocks been turned off on both the server and workstations?

Sounds like they have other hardware 'issues', but the above should be
checked regardless and can't hurt whether this is the actual problem or not.



--
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I may be mistaken but I think you should use BDE 5.2 for client server
applications isn't it?  It may not matter since you are using ODBC to
connect to your oracle tables and not the BDE.

Gene


"Uwe Lauth" <Uwe.Lauth@cursor.de> wrote in message
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> Wow, Liz, what a fast reply :-)
>
> XP SP 2.
> Paradox 8 Runtime english.
> BDE 5.0.1 or 5.1.1.1 (can tell it tomorrow)
>
> Uwe


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Gene De Guzman wrote:

> I may be mistaken but I think you should use BDE 5.2 for client server
> applications isn't it?

5.2 changes only included a handful of C/S changes (nothing directly
related to Paradox itself), but it would only matter if your particular
needs included that handful of items..


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Diamond Software Group
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hi,
i have the trouble with  BDE that i re-installed paradox and BDE more than
three times
and examined  the configuration of the BDE carefully .but when i open
paradox it will shows the message "BDE config filename is invalid.using
default" to me. yes ,of course i regard the BDE as a invalid install
file.so,i decide to change my idea to install it on another computer.but the
problem still exist.
Does anyone can help me ?
thanks


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I think you might find the fix here:

http://web.comhem.se/~u82608896/

....in the form of registry edits...

Liz


ANNE wrote:
> 
> hi,
> i have the trouble with  BDE that i re-installed paradox and BDE more than
> three times
> and examined  the configuration of the BDE carefully .but when i open
> paradox it will shows the message "BDE config filename is invalid.using
> default" to me. yes ,of course i regard the BDE as a invalid install
> file.so,i decide to change my idea to install it on another computer.but the
> problem still exist.
> Does anyone can help me ?
> thanks
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It's not the configuration invalid, but the filename of the configuration' 
file.
In my application, i use the    -o xxxxx.cfg     switch in command line: if 
the xxxxx.cfg is not a valid filename or is not existing, i have that error 
message.
giovanni

"ANNE" <ZHANGGUOFENG-_-@163.COM> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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> hi,
> i have the trouble with  BDE that i re-installed paradox and BDE more than
> three times
> and examined  the configuration of the BDE carefully .but when i open
> paradox it will shows the message "BDE config filename is invalid.using
> default" to me. yes ,of course i regard the BDE as a invalid install
> file.so,i decide to change my idea to install it on another computer.but 
> the
> problem still exist.
> Does anyone can help me ?
> thanks
>
> 


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Has anyone had a problem with network usernames over 15 chars long?

I have an app that has been corrupting tables spasmodically in the last 12
months after years of happy running.  The network was changed from Netware6
to Windose2003 server and we get Sec index corruptions at irregular
intervals.

I created a  form that monitors the locks etc. and notice that it does not
report users with 15-char usernames accurately and see that the table
structure for the tc.enumlocks call has a field type of A15.

I'm wondering if buffer overruns are occurring.

Yes, I've asked the IT people to change the logins but that could take
weeks!

Cheers

Chris Harwood
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Chris Harwood wrote:

> The network was changed from Netware6 to Windose2003 server and we get Sec
> index corruptions at irregular intervals.

that comment alone suggests other possible issues, even if your "a15" issue is
real..

have you done the standard "oplocks" and "write caching" disables on *all*
machines?

for the tables with sec index problems, are the tables over 1/2 the max size
for the current block size? (i.e. with 2k blocks, max size is 128 meg, problem
is when tables are over 64 meg).. and/or are the tables heavily fragmented?


--
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Diamond Software Group
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Paradox Support & Sales - Corel CTech Paradox
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Diamond Sports Gems
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---------------------------------------------------


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Steve

I am assured all oplocks settings I supplied have been implemented and write
cacheing disabled.

Bad news is I used to be the network support but that went away and M$ was
installed and NT4 moved to XP.

It worked fine until one w/s had its anti-virus updated then it corrupted
one table like mad.  It went 'good' apparently spontaneously for 6-9 months
and has gone bad again - hence I wrote this monitoring form as I suspected a
file system issue with locks files.

I can disappear the fault by rebuilding the indexes on one table until the
next time.

The table in question is at about 20% with 3m records and 16k blocks.

Chris Harwood
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Chris Harwood wrote:

> It worked fine until one w/s had its anti-virus updated then it corrupted one
> table like mad.

AV software activity drastically slows down a system, when it is set to scan all
files.. but AV software should not be able to actually damage your paradox
files..


> The table in question is at about 20% with 3m records and 16k blocks.

if the table itself is about 20% fragmented, the index files will usually be far
more fragmented, and often quite useless.. simply rebuilding and packing those
files might be all you need..


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Steve

Someone did a woopsie and told Task Manager to terminate Paradox while it
was rebuilding the indexes so they all got shot.

I had to re-create them from scratch so I assume they are packed.

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Chris Harwood wrote:

> I had to re-create them from scratch so I assume they are packed.

for the moment, yes.. but every time you add/delete/change something related
to the indexes, they get hit.. also, bear in mind that the indexes tell you
where the real record was when it was added to the table and/or when the
index was built.. the index does *not* get updated as the table grows and
fragments..


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Chris

Look at PX0616 in my buglist.  URL below

-- 
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Thanks Bertil.  Yes that's it alright and Liz's observations suggest that
buffer overrun does NOT occur in that instance even though the code cannot
determine the end of the buffer! (hence returns path to Config file).

One comment though; I do not find RecordNumber works ok on PDOX9 SP4.  The
interactive 'Display Locks' returns an A33 which is fine, but EnumLocks
returns an N which is bizarre with negative record Nos.  Possibly works Ok
up to about record 61000!

Thanks again too for your online bug stuff.


Chris Harwood
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Chris

<<
EnumLocksreturns an N which is bizarre with negative record Nos.  Possibly
works Ok
up to about record 61000!
>>

This is bug PX0581. The record no is ok up to 32767 or 32768.

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Hi

Normally all my applications uses the same BDE-config file, the default one 
set with BDE Administrator.

Now, I have the need to use a different config file (differeint settings for 
language drivers etc) for one of my apps so I created one and use that one 
with the -o switch and now I run into problem.

If I start this application first - all applications started afterwards will 
pick up the settings from this custom BDE-config.

If I start one of the other apps first and then try to start this one app 
after, I get the error "Different configurations file already in use. 
Do...."

When reading the help files for the o-switch I can see that this is the 
expected behaviour: "Aternate BDE configuration file. (All BDE-based 
applications must use the same BDE configuration file when running 
concurrently.)"

I guess there is no way around this?

I think I can work around some of the settings in code with 
FormatSetDateTimeDefault, FormatSetDateDefault, FormatSetNumberDefault and 
the likes, but not so sure if that will be the same as setting it in the 
BDE?

How about block size and local share, can that be set with code? If I write 
to the registry, which one will take over, the config file or the registry?

Any comments welcome.

Anders



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Anders Jonsson wrote:

> How about block size and local share, can that be set with code?

it can never hurt to have "too big" a block size..

local share should *always* be TRUE, even if it is just to blow out the internal
buffers..


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I have a problem with BDE installation on a laptop (XP Pro, SP 1).

While tweaking a config file, I struck the "capability not supported" bug 
when deleting a database.

Rebooted system.

After this, the BDEAdmin hung, and Paradox starts, flashes, and dies..

Uninstalled Paradox (v10).

Reinstalled Paradox.

Checked registry - config file pointing to garbage ....tmp instead of .cfg. 
Other pointers seem OK.

Repointed to correct cfg taken from another PC.

Installed BDE5.1

Same

Installed BDE5.2

Same

Repeat until frustrated.

Short of re-imaging the laptop, is there something about uninstalling the 
BDE and reinstalling that I have missed?

NOTE: The corporate standard where I work is BDE 4 - I normally rename the 
directory that has the obsolete stuff, and install 5.1 via Paradox install 
or 5.2 via the BDEInfo kit.

Thanks. 


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Some beta testers of the MS Office 2007 beta 2 tr (Technical Refresh) are 
reporting that it totally kills, or "Breaks" their installed BDE.  The only 
solution so far has been to completely remove the Office 2007 beta software.

While this issue is only being reported by a "beta" type application.... it 
still raised some concerns on my part because of the mass appeal of MS 
Office products and the potential impact it could have on our BDE dependant 
applications if this matter is not resolved before the final code is 
released.  In my opinion, it's probably something worth keeping your eyes 
and ears attuned to for further data.


-- 
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Rodney Wise wrote:
> Some beta testers of the MS Office 2007 beta 2 tr (Technical Refresh) are
> reporting that it totally kills, or "Breaks" their installed BDE.  The
> only solution so far has been to completely remove the Office 2007 beta
> software.
> 
> While this issue is only being reported by a "beta" type application....
> it still raised some concerns on my part because of the mass appeal of MS
> Office products and the potential impact it could have on our BDE
> dependant applications if this matter is not resolved before the final
> code is
> released.  In my opinion, it's probably something worth keeping your eyes
> and ears attuned to for further data.

Much as an XP update wiped-out Paradox SQL Links?

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I have xn XP box running Office 2007 no problem along side Paradox using a 
SQL back end

..
"Rodney Wise" <NSpamPlease_rodney1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message 
news:450ea2d6$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Some beta testers of the MS Office 2007 beta 2 tr (Technical Refresh) are 
> reporting that it totally kills, or "Breaks" their installed BDE.  The 
> only solution so far has been to completely remove the Office 2007 beta 
> software.
>
> While this issue is only being reported by a "beta" type application.... 
> it still raised some concerns on my part because of the mass appeal of MS 
> Office products and the potential impact it could have on our BDE 
> dependant applications if this matter is not resolved before the final 
> code is released.  In my opinion, it's probably something worth keeping 
> your eyes and ears attuned to for further data.
>
>
> -- 
> ...
>    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney
>
> 


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Read the following:
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=733407&SiteID=17



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A possible work-around in case MS does not fix their Office 2007 before 
final release.   I haven't tested this, but I thought I'd post it here 
anyways incase someone runs up against this issue.


Posted by:  RMANN7 on Microsoft's TechNet:
--------------------------------------------------------------
Figured out a work around but use at your own risk as I don't know yet what 
I may have broken in Office! Searched through the registry and found any 
entry for Paradox that pointed to the new driver installed with Office 2007 
B2tr (aceodbc.dll), then changed the name "Paradox" to "Microsoft Paradox". 
Re-booted and now my BDE based application works!

I believe the main registry keys that made the difference are:

HKLM\Software\ODBC\ODBCINST.INI\Paradox -- renamed to "Microsoft Paradox"

HKLM\Software\ODBC\ODBCINST.INI\ODBC Drivers\Paradox -- renamed to 
"Microsoft Paradox"

So now I have BDE based apps working and the joy of Office 2007 B2tr!

-Ron





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In addition, this was also posted by  RMANN7:

------------------------------------------------------------------

If you have already made the registry changes, make sure to shut down and 
re-boot.

Run the odbc admin (%SystemRoot%\system32\odbcad32.exe in Vista), on the 
Drivers tab verify that "Paradox" is now showing as "Microsoft Paradox" (or 
whatever you named it).

If your aplication is using one of the other database formats nativly 
supported by BDE, like Access or dBASE: you may need to make similar 
registry key name changes for the the Access and dBASE entries (they point 
to the same ACEODBC.DLL installed by Office 2007 B2tr). And again, re-boot 
after making the registry changes.

If still an issue I'd try re-installing BDE or the application that 
installed/uses it.

Hope this helps!

-Ron


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Strange - mine works perfectly - the app even makes OLE calls to Outlook 
2007 to send mail
"Rodney Wise" <NSpamPlease_rodney1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message 
news:451130d9$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Read the following:
> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=733407&SiteID=17
>
>
>
> -- 
> ...
>    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney
>
> 


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Using BDE 5.2

While chasing down a memory problem, I noticed that the Registry settings
for the BDE INIT parameters were completely different from the BDE Admin
settings - looked like the Registry settings were the old default values on
installation - eg file handles at 48.

Also, with all users using the same config file, the INIT settings were
different - that is, looks like the config file ensures all users have the
same aliases, but does not ensure they have the same BDE / Registry
settings.

For this, you need to reset the Registry settings directly, rather than via
the BDEAdmin.

Does anyone have a definitive statement about this. Rodney? Tony?

TIA


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Robert

First you have to say which setting you're using under Object | Options in 
BDE Admin, and then you have to tell whether you're using the -o switch when 
launching Paradox or not.

Read this:

To display this dialog box, choose Options or Object|Options.

Dialog box options

Save For Use With

Indicates the kind of configuration file to create.

Windows 3.1 And Windows 95/NT

When checked, new and edited configuration files are saved in a combination 
16-bit/32-bit format that can be used by both Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 or 
Windows NT applications.

Any System and Driver settings existing in the current configuration file 
are written to the new configuration file.
 All remaining System and Driver settings are written to the Registry. 
Entries are saved from their point of origin.
 Database settings are saved to the new configuration file.
 NET DIR is saved to the new configuration file.

Windows 95/NT Only

When checked, the new or modified configuration file is only usable by 
32-bit applications.

System and Driver settings are saved to the Registry.  The Registry is 
always updated if the configuration file is the default.
 NOTE: If the IDAPI.CFG file is not the default, the file MUST be saved as a 
composite 16-/32-bit file.
 Database settings are saved to the new configuration file.
 NET DIR is saved to the new configuration file.



-- 
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Paradox buglist:
online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/

"Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i 
meddelandet news:455cf1db$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Using BDE 5.2
>
> While chasing down a memory problem, I noticed that the Registry settings
> for the BDE INIT parameters were completely different from the BDE Admin
> settings - looked like the Registry settings were the old default values 
> on
> installation - eg file handles at 48.
>
> Also, with all users using the same config file, the INIT settings were
> different - that is, looks like the config file ensures all users have the
> same aliases, but does not ensure they have the same BDE / Registry
> settings.
>
> For this, you need to reset the Registry settings directly, rather than 
> via
> the BDEAdmin.
>
> Does anyone have a definitive statement about this. Rodney? Tony?
>
> TIA
>
> 


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Hi Bertil,

I do not use the -o switch. Should I?

Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT section.

Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I think
this means the same thing)

Checked all W/S to ensure that option is set to Windows 95/NT Only

Unfortunately I did not notice this problem before changing to BDE 5.2 -
might not be issue in BDE 5.1

> Windows 95/NT Only
>
> When checked, the new or modified configuration file is only usable by
> 32-bit applications.
>
> System and Driver settings are saved to the Registry.  The Registry is
> always updated if the configuration file is the default.
>  NOTE: If the IDAPI.CFG file is not the default, the file MUST be saved as
a
> composite 16-/32-bit file.

*** All users use the same cfg file as default.

>  Database settings are saved to the new configuration file.
>  NET DIR is saved to the new configuration file.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
> Paradox buglist:
> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
>
> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
> meddelandet news:455cf1db$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> > Using BDE 5.2
> >
> > While chasing down a memory problem, I noticed that the Registry
settings
> > for the BDE INIT parameters were completely different from the BDE Admin
> > settings - looked like the Registry settings were the old default values
> > on
> > installation - eg file handles at 48.
> >
> > Also, with all users using the same config file, the INIT settings were
> > different - that is, looks like the config file ensures all users have
the
> > same aliases, but does not ensure they have the same BDE / Registry
> > settings.
> >
> > For this, you need to reset the Registry settings directly, rather than
> > via
> > the BDEAdmin.
> >
> > Does anyone have a definitive statement about this. Rodney? Tony?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
>
>


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Robert

<<
I do not use the -o switch. Should I?
>>

It's up to you.

-- 
Bertil Isberg - CTECH
Paradox buglist:
online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/

"Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i 
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> Hi Bertil,
>
> I do not use the -o switch. Should I?
>
> Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT section.
>
> Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I 
> think
> this means the same thing)
>
> Checked all W/S to ensure that option is set to Windows 95/NT Only
>
> Unfortunately I did not notice this problem before changing to BDE 5.2 -
> might not be issue in BDE 5.1
>
>> Windows 95/NT Only
>>
>> When checked, the new or modified configuration file is only usable by
>> 32-bit applications.
>>
>> System and Driver settings are saved to the Registry.  The Registry is
>> always updated if the configuration file is the default.
>>  NOTE: If the IDAPI.CFG file is not the default, the file MUST be saved 
>> as
> a
>> composite 16-/32-bit file.
>
> *** All users use the same cfg file as default.
>
>>  Database settings are saved to the new configuration file.
>>  NET DIR is saved to the new configuration file.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
>> Paradox buglist:
>> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
>>
>> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
>> meddelandet news:455cf1db$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> > Using BDE 5.2
>> >
>> > While chasing down a memory problem, I noticed that the Registry
> settings
>> > for the BDE INIT parameters were completely different from the BDE 
>> > Admin
>> > settings - looked like the Registry settings were the old default 
>> > values
>> > on
>> > installation - eg file handles at 48.
>> >
>> > Also, with all users using the same config file, the INIT settings were
>> > different - that is, looks like the config file ensures all users have
> the
>> > same aliases, but does not ensure they have the same BDE / Registry
>> > settings.
>> >
>> > For this, you need to reset the Registry settings directly, rather than
>> > via
>> > the BDEAdmin.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a definitive statement about this. Rodney? Tony?
>> >
>> > TIA
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> 


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Well, yes, but what does the o switch do (I can't find any reference to
it...)

"Bertil Isberg" <ctech@corel.ca> wrote in message
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> Robert
>
> <<
> I do not use the -o switch. Should I?
> >>
>
> It's up to you.
>
> -- 
> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
> Paradox buglist:
> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
>
> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
> meddelandet news:4564d42c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> > Hi Bertil,
> >
> > I do not use the -o switch. Should I?
> >
> > Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT
section.
> >
> > Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I
> > think
> > this means the same thing)
> >
> > Checked all W/S to ensure that option is set to Windows 95/NT Only
> >
> > Unfortunately I did not notice this problem before changing to BDE 5.2 -
> > might not be issue in BDE 5.1
> >
> >> Windows 95/NT Only
> >>
> >> When checked, the new or modified configuration file is only usable by
> >> 32-bit applications.
> >>
> >> System and Driver settings are saved to the Registry.  The Registry is
> >> always updated if the configuration file is the default.
> >>  NOTE: If the IDAPI.CFG file is not the default, the file MUST be saved
> >> as
> > a
> >> composite 16-/32-bit file.
> >
> > *** All users use the same cfg file as default.
> >
> >>  Database settings are saved to the new configuration file.
> >>  NET DIR is saved to the new configuration file.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
> >> Paradox buglist:
> >> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
> >>
> >> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
> >> meddelandet news:455cf1db$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> >> > Using BDE 5.2
> >> >
> >> > While chasing down a memory problem, I noticed that the Registry
> > settings
> >> > for the BDE INIT parameters were completely different from the BDE
> >> > Admin
> >> > settings - looked like the Registry settings were the old default
> >> > values
> >> > on
> >> > installation - eg file handles at 48.
> >> >
> >> > Also, with all users using the same config file, the INIT settings
were
> >> > different - that is, looks like the config file ensures all users
have
> > the
> >> > same aliases, but does not ensure they have the same BDE / Registry
> >> > settings.
> >> >
> >> > For this, you need to reset the Registry settings directly, rather
than
> >> > via
> >> > the BDEAdmin.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone have a definitive statement about this. Rodney? Tony?
> >> >
> >> > TIA
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>


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It allows you to specify the idapi config file to use.  You should find 
it in the "regular" (rather than opal) help file under command-line 
switches or parameters.

Liz


Robert Molyneux wrote:
> Well, yes, but what does the o switch do (I can't find any reference to
> it...)
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Robert

<<
Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I think
this means the same thing)
>>

ascii Ansi = DBWINUS0
Paradox 'ascii' = ASCII
Paradox ANSI Swedfin = ANSISWFN

It's two names for the same driver. Right hand side is the internal 
(technical) name. Left hand side is what's shown to the user.


<<
 Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT section.
>>

If the IDAPI.CFG file isn't created or changed on a PC, I guess registry and 
the idapi.cfg won't be synchronized. Eg you can edit registry to make a 
different idapi.cfg file the default. I would be very surprised if Paradox 
next time started would synchronize the idapi.cfg with the saved registry 
settings.

-- 
Bertil Isberg - CTECH
Paradox buglist:
online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/

"Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i 
meddelandet news:4564d42c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Hi Bertil,
>
> I do not use the -o switch. Should I?
>
> Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT section.
>
> Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I 
> think
> this means the same thing)
>
> Checked all W/S to ensure that option is set to Windows 95/NT Only
>
> Unfortunately I did not notice this problem before changing to BDE 5.2 -
> might not be issue in BDE 5.1
>
>> Windows 95/NT Only
>>
>> When checked, the new or modified configuration file is only usable by
>> 32-bit applications.
>>
>> System and Driver settings are saved to the Registry.  The Registry is
>> always updated if the configuration file is the default.
>>  NOTE: If the IDAPI.CFG file is not the default, the file MUST be saved 
>> as
> a
>> composite 16-/32-bit file.
>
> *** All users use the same cfg file as default.
>
>>  Database settings are saved to the new configuration file.
>>  NET DIR is saved to the new configuration file.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
>> Paradox buglist:
>> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
>>
>> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
>> meddelandet news:455cf1db$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> > Using BDE 5.2
>> >
>> > While chasing down a memory problem, I noticed that the Registry
> settings
>> > for the BDE INIT parameters were completely different from the BDE 
>> > Admin
>> > settings - looked like the Registry settings were the old default 
>> > values
>> > on
>> > installation - eg file handles at 48.
>> >
>> > Also, with all users using the same config file, the INIT settings were
>> > different - that is, looks like the config file ensures all users have
> the
>> > same aliases, but does not ensure they have the same BDE / Registry
>> > settings.
>> >
>> > For this, you need to reset the Registry settings directly, rather than
>> > via
>> > the BDEAdmin.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a definitive statement about this. Rodney? Tony?
>> >
>> > TIA
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> 


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I set all users of my app to use a common configuration file.

Then everyone shares the aliases / databases.

Because I ran into "Out of Memory" problems (forms with lots of
interconnected tables gave "Out of Memory" and "File Missing or Corrupted"
messages), I was fiddling with the BDE settings.

I found that:

1. "Out of Memory" really means "Out of File Handles"

2. Changing the number of file handles using BDEAdmin.exe DOES NOT
necessarily change Registry BDE settings. I think you have to hits the Save
Changes button after every change, rather than expecting to save and
implement changes at the end of the BDEAdmin editing session.

3. After restarting the BDE / Paradox, users continue to see (more or less)
the same values in the INIT section of the BDEAdmin screens, but these do
not match the Registry settings of their work-stations.

4. The BDE (V5.2) takes its settings from the Registry, NOT the config file.
Hence the "Out of Memory" red-herring continues.

I persuaded my boss to shell out for 4GBytes of RAM each for two PCs on the
basis of the "Out of Memory" message - so you win some, you lose some. Now
can handle graphics-intensive stuff - or load the entire app into RAM...

Does the 0 switch cause the registry to be updated to reflect the selected
config file?

"Bertil Isberg" <ctech@corel.ca> wrote in message
news:45661ed9$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Robert
>
> <<
> Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I
think
> this means the same thing)
> >>
>
> ascii Ansi = DBWINUS0
> Paradox 'ascii' = ASCII
> Paradox ANSI Swedfin = ANSISWFN
>
> It's two names for the same driver. Right hand side is the internal
> (technical) name. Left hand side is what's shown to the user.
>
>
> <<
>  Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT section.
> >>
>
> If the IDAPI.CFG file isn't created or changed on a PC, I guess registry
and
> the idapi.cfg won't be synchronized. Eg you can edit registry to make a
> different idapi.cfg file the default. I would be very surprised if Paradox
> next time started would synchronize the idapi.cfg with the saved registry
> settings.
>
> -- 
> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
> Paradox buglist:
> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
>
> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
> meddelandet news:4564d42c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> > Hi Bertil,
> >
> > I do not use the -o switch. Should I?
> >
> > Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT
section.
> >
> > Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I
> > think
> > this means the same thing)
> >
> > Checked all W/S to ensure that option is set to Windows 95/NT Only
> >
> > Unfortunately I did not notice this problem before changing to BDE 5.2 -
> > might not be issue in BDE 5.1
> >
> >> Windows 95/NT Only
> >>
> >> When checked, the new or modified configuration file is only usable by
> >> 32-bit applications.
> >>
> >> System and Driver settings are saved to the Registry.  The Registry is
> >> always updated if the configuration file is the default.
> >>  NOTE: If the IDAPI.CFG file is not the default, the file MUST be saved
> >> as
> > a
> >> composite 16-/32-bit file.
> >
> > *** All users use the same cfg file as default.
> >
> >>  Database settings are saved to the new configuration file.
> >>  NET DIR is saved to the new configuration file.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
> >> Paradox buglist:
> >> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
> >>
> >> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
> >> meddelandet news:455cf1db$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> >> > Using BDE 5.2
> >> >
> >> > While chasing down a memory problem, I noticed that the Registry
> > settings
> >> > for the BDE INIT parameters were completely different from the BDE
> >> > Admin
> >> > settings - looked like the Registry settings were the old default
> >> > values
> >> > on
> >> > installation - eg file handles at 48.
> >> >
> >> > Also, with all users using the same config file, the INIT settings
were
> >> > different - that is, looks like the config file ensures all users
have
> > the
> >> > same aliases, but does not ensure they have the same BDE / Registry
> >> > settings.
> >> >
> >> > For this, you need to reset the Registry settings directly, rather
than
> >> > via
> >> > the BDEAdmin.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone have a definitive statement about this. Rodney? Tony?
> >> >
> >> > TIA
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>


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Robert
<<
Does the 0 switch cause the registry to be updated to reflect the selected
config file?
>>

According to the BDE Admin help files, which I quoted in my first response, 
it won't. Rather the opposite.


-- 
Bertil Isberg - CTECH
Paradox buglist:
online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/

"Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i 
meddelandet news:4566b516$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>I set all users of my app to use a common configuration file.
>
> Then everyone shares the aliases / databases.
>
> Because I ran into "Out of Memory" problems (forms with lots of
> interconnected tables gave "Out of Memory" and "File Missing or Corrupted"
> messages), I was fiddling with the BDE settings.
>
> I found that:
>
> 1. "Out of Memory" really means "Out of File Handles"
>
> 2. Changing the number of file handles using BDEAdmin.exe DOES NOT
> necessarily change Registry BDE settings. I think you have to hits the 
> Save
> Changes button after every change, rather than expecting to save and
> implement changes at the end of the BDEAdmin editing session.
>
> 3. After restarting the BDE / Paradox, users continue to see (more or 
> less)
> the same values in the INIT section of the BDEAdmin screens, but these do
> not match the Registry settings of their work-stations.
>
> 4. The BDE (V5.2) takes its settings from the Registry, NOT the config 
> file.
> Hence the "Out of Memory" red-herring continues.
>
> I persuaded my boss to shell out for 4GBytes of RAM each for two PCs on 
> the
> basis of the "Out of Memory" message - so you win some, you lose some. Now
> can handle graphics-intensive stuff - or load the entire app into RAM...
>
> Does the 0 switch cause the registry to be updated to reflect the selected
> config file?
>
> "Bertil Isberg" <ctech@corel.ca> wrote in message
> news:45661ed9$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> Robert
>>
>> <<
>> Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I
> think
>> this means the same thing)
>> >>
>>
>> ascii Ansi = DBWINUS0
>> Paradox 'ascii' = ASCII
>> Paradox ANSI Swedfin = ANSISWFN
>>
>> It's two names for the same driver. Right hand side is the internal
>> (technical) name. Left hand side is what's shown to the user.
>>
>>
>> <<
>>  Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT 
>> section.
>> >>
>>
>> If the IDAPI.CFG file isn't created or changed on a PC, I guess registry
> and
>> the idapi.cfg won't be synchronized. Eg you can edit registry to make a
>> different idapi.cfg file the default. I would be very surprised if 
>> Paradox
>> next time started would synchronize the idapi.cfg with the saved registry
>> settings.
>>
>> -- 
>> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
>> Paradox buglist:
>> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
>>
>> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
>> meddelandet news:4564d42c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> > Hi Bertil,
>> >
>> > I do not use the -o switch. Should I?
>> >
>> > Various W/S did NOT have registry settings to match the BDE INIT
> section.
>> >
>> > Language driver some times shows as DBWINUS0 and sometimes as ascii (I
>> > think
>> > this means the same thing)
>> >
>> > Checked all W/S to ensure that option is set to Windows 95/NT Only
>> >
>> > Unfortunately I did not notice this problem before changing to BDE 
>> > 5.2 -
>> > might not be issue in BDE 5.1
>> >
>> >> Windows 95/NT Only
>> >>
>> >> When checked, the new or modified configuration file is only usable by
>> >> 32-bit applications.
>> >>
>> >> System and Driver settings are saved to the Registry.  The Registry is
>> >> always updated if the configuration file is the default.
>> >>  NOTE: If the IDAPI.CFG file is not the default, the file MUST be 
>> >> saved
>> >> as
>> > a
>> >> composite 16-/32-bit file.
>> >
>> > *** All users use the same cfg file as default.
>> >
>> >>  Database settings are saved to the new configuration file.
>> >>  NET DIR is saved to the new configuration file.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Bertil Isberg - CTECH
>> >> Paradox buglist:
>> >> online:       http://hem.bredband.net/bertilisberg/
>> >>
>> >> "Robert Molyneux" <ibisnest_removeantispam_@iinet.net.au> skrev i
>> >> meddelandet news:455cf1db$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> >> > Using BDE 5.2
>> >> >
>> >> > While chasing down a memory problem, I noticed that the Registry
>> > settings
>> >> > for the BDE INIT parameters were completely different from the BDE
>> >> > Admin
>> >> > settings - looked like the Registry settings were the old default
>> >> > values
>> >> > on
>> >> > installation - eg file handles at 48.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, with all users using the same config file, the INIT settings
> were
>> >> > different - that is, looks like the config file ensures all users
> have
>> > the
>> >> > same aliases, but does not ensure they have the same BDE / Registry
>> >> > settings.
>> >> >
>> >> > For this, you need to reset the Registry settings directly, rather
> than
>> >> > via
>> >> > the BDEAdmin.
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anyone have a definitive statement about this. Rodney? Tony?
>> >> >
>> >> > TIA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> 


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Subject: Network initialization failed
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Hi to all,

I'm facing this problem:

We have a Paradox application that has to be run on some notebooks
connected to a NAS via wireless lan.
The NAS shares 4 folders. Three are used for tables and programs, the
fourth is for the network lock file.
On all notebooks the net dir path is "W:\" that is a drive letter
mapped to the NAS lock file share. The mapping is the same on all
notebooks. On all notebooks the LOCAL SHARE is set to "TRUE".

Now, the first notebook can start program with no problem. All
following client trying to start the program give the same error:

Network initialization failed.
Directory W:\
File W:\PDOXUSRS.NET
Cannot access network lock file
Continue with network disabled?

As far I know the above network setup is correct. I've used this
settings on many other installation without problems. The only
difference here is the wireless lan and the NAS.
For what I could try all users have full access to the NAS shares, can
read and write on them.
I've also opened the same file from two client with no problem (except
is was a Word doc and second copy was "read only" but that's how Word
works).

Any clue on that?
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Arturo,

Double check where everyone's PRIV and WORK are set.  Don't put the .NET 
file at the root, even virtual root, of a drive - make a subdir and set 
it to W:\PDOXLOCK or something.

Close all Paradox instances, blow away the .NET and .LCK files 
(including off workstations), make the above change and try again.

FWIW,

Liz


Arturo Buonanni wrote:
> Hi to all,
> 
> I'm facing this problem:
> 
> We have a Paradox application that has to be run on some notebooks
> connected to a NAS via wireless lan.
> The NAS shares 4 folders. Three are used for tables and programs, the
> fourth is for the network lock file.
> On all notebooks the net dir path is "W:\" that is a drive letter
> mapped to the NAS lock file share. The mapping is the same on all
> notebooks. On all notebooks the LOCAL SHARE is set to "TRUE".
> 
> Now, the first notebook can start program with no problem. All
> following client trying to start the program give the same error:
> 
> Network initialization failed.
> Directory W:\
> File W:\PDOXUSRS.NET
> Cannot access network lock file
> Continue with network disabled?
> 
> As far I know the above network setup is correct. I've used this
> settings on many other installation without problems. The only
> difference here is the wireless lan and the NAS.
> For what I could try all users have full access to the NAS shares, can
> read and write on them.
> I've also opened the same file from two client with no problem (except
> is was a Word doc and second copy was "read only" but that's how Word
> works).
> 
> Any clue on that?
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:41:31 -0700, Liz McGuire
<liz@paradoxcommunity.com> wrote:

Well, our client has been forced to change their NAS due to HW
failure. They replaced it with a model thas shows itself as a local
drive on the attached computers.
This way we have also been forced to move the .NET file to another
location like Drive:\folder\folder.
Now I don't know which one of the two things (replacing the drive of
moving the .NET file) did it but the problem has  been solved.

I have some installation that still user the .NET file on root folders
(and they works just fine) but from now on I'm sticking with placing
this filo on its own folder.

Thanks for your kind reply. :-)

>Arturo,
>
>Double check where everyone's PRIV and WORK are set.  Don't put the .NET 
>file at the root, even virtual root, of a drive - make a subdir and set 
>it to W:\PDOXLOCK or something.
>
>Close all Paradox instances, blow away the .NET and .LCK files 
>(including off workstations), make the above change and try again.
>
>FWIW,
>
>Liz
>
>
>Arturo Buonanni wrote:
>> Hi to all,
>> 
>> I'm facing this problem:
>> 
>> We have a Paradox application that has to be run on some notebooks
>> connected to a NAS via wireless lan.
>> The NAS shares 4 folders. Three are used for tables and programs, the
>> fourth is for the network lock file.
>> On all notebooks the net dir path is "W:\" that is a drive letter
>> mapped to the NAS lock file share. The mapping is the same on all
>> notebooks. On all notebooks the LOCAL SHARE is set to "TRUE".
>> 
>> Now, the first notebook can start program with no problem. All
>> following client trying to start the program give the same error:
>> 
>> Network initialization failed.
>> Directory W:\
>> File W:\PDOXUSRS.NET
>> Cannot access network lock file
>> Continue with network disabled?
>> 
>> As far I know the above network setup is correct. I've used this
>> settings on many other installation without problems. The only
>> difference here is the wireless lan and the NAS.
>> For what I could try all users have full access to the NAS shares, can
>> read and write on them.
>> I've also opened the same file from two client with no problem (except
>> is was a Word doc and second copy was "read only" but that's how Word
>> works).
>> 
>> Any clue on that?
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> They replaced it with a model thas shows itself as a local
> drive on the attached computers.

If I remember correctly there was a post some months ago that using one of 
these drives gave very bad results with Paradox as it didn't handle locking 
correctly. I think there are quite big difference how these low end 
networked harddrives work. Some are true servers running Linux or a special 
verions of Windows - other have their own drivers that needs to be installed 
on each pc. I think the later version is the "dangerous" one.


Anders




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Below is a relevant message posted on Borland's BDE news group by Kevin 
Mitchell.  I though it might be a good idea to re-post it here for anyone 
who might run into this problem in the future.  I have not tested it.

Hopefully the word wrap is OK...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The following was copied from the news group "microsoft.public.office.misc".
It was written by Bob Buckland and dated Mon, Oct 16 2006 2:48 am


=========== Begin message from Bob Buckland =============

There was a 'branding' change in B2TR registry entries that affects apps
that use the Borland Database Engine (BDE) that MS is currently reviewing
for changes to make to the Office 2007 release product.

There are a couple of workarounds you can try, that others have reported
helped via editing registry entries, but be cautious on later using either
Office 2007 repair or Office 2007 diagnostics as those features can 'repair'
things back to the defaults.


Before modifying the registy backup the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE (HKLM) branch at
  HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\ODBC


Note: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE is shown as HKLM below for space:


A.  HKLM\Software\ODBC\ODBCINST.INI\Paradox
      Replace 'Paradox' with 'Microsoft Paradox'


B.  HKLM\Software\ODBC\ODBCINST.INI\ODBC Drivers\Paradox
      Replace 'Paradox' with 'Microsoft Paradox'


C.  HKLM\Software\ODBC\ODBCINST.INI\dBase
      Replace 'dBase' with 'Microsoft dBase'


D.  HKLM\Software\ODBC\ODBCINST.INI\ODBC Drivers\dBase
      Replace 'dBase' with 'Microsoft dBase'


Two customers have reported that the following change may help the changes
from being undone by MS Office 2007 Diagnostics

E. For each of the following add 2 new string values


 HKLM\Software\Borland\Database Engine\Settings\Drivers\Paradox\Init
    Add: new String value 'DLL'
    Add: new String value 'DLL32'
  leave the 'value' settings for those strings blank.


 HKLM\Software\Borland\Database Engine\Settings\Drviers\DBASE\Init
    Add: new String value 'DLL'
    Add: new String value 'DLL32'
  leave the 'value' settings for those strings blank.


If those added entries already exist then it may be helpful to change


 HKLM\Software\Borland\Database Engine\Settings\DBASE
to
 HKLM\Software\Borland\Database Engine\Settings\Microsoft DBASE


========== End message from Bob Buckland ==================


I have not tried the fix shown above; none of my customers is using Office
2007 yet. The feedback on the fix has been positive in the MS forums.


- Kevin Mitchell


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Hello every1,

    I have a huge problem accessing a shared directory (on a network
computer) containing the paradox tables from another pc: TOO SLOW: I've
changed the Bde config [netdir=<the shared directory> Localshare=True],
nothing. A simple SELECT of 5000 records came out in about 2 minutes. I dont
know what to do. Please, if you have any idea?

Thanks in advance,
George.



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if you're using a Select SQL statement, that means you're probably not using 
paradox software itself to access the tables.. and Bill's answer on the BDE 
forum holds true..

--
Steven Green - Waldorf Maryland USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

<gdragomir@immostreet.com> wrote in message 
news:46c99592$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Hello every1,
>
>    I have a huge problem accessing a shared directory (on a network
> computer) containing the paradox tables from another pc: TOO SLOW: I've
> changed the Bde config [netdir=<the shared directory> Localshare=True],
> nothing. A simple SELECT of 5000 records came out in about 2 minutes. I 
> dont
> know what to do. Please, if you have any idea?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> George.
>
>
> 


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Thanks, Steven


"Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 
46cac36b$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> if you're using a Select SQL statement, that means you're probably not 
> using paradox software itself to access the tables.. and Bill's answer on 
> the BDE forum holds true..
>
> --
> Steven Green - Waldorf Maryland USA
>
> Diamond Software Group
> http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
> Paradox Support & Sales
>
> Diamond Sports Gems
> http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
> Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
>
> <gdragomir@immostreet.com> wrote in message 
> news:46c99592$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> Hello every1,
>>
>>    I have a huge problem accessing a shared directory (on a network
>> computer) containing the paradox tables from another pc: TOO SLOW: I've
>> changed the Bde config [netdir=<the shared directory> Localshare=True],
>> nothing. A simple SELECT of 5000 records came out in about 2 minutes. I 
>> dont
>> know what to do. Please, if you have any idea?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> George.
>>
>>
>>
>
> 


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I just went to the supposed download page on Borland's site and found that 
all the FTP links are broken. So where does one download the latest BDE?

I'm wanting to install Paradox 10 from WPO 2002 and I suspect I need to 
update the BDE.
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Kenneth Porter <shiva.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote in
news:Xns99CC34C6ED4FFshivasewingwitchcom@209.203.225.138: 

> I just went to the supposed download page on Borland's site and found
> that all the FTP links are broken. So where does one download the
> latest BDE? 
> 
> I'm wanting to install Paradox 10 from WPO 2002 and I suspect I need
> to update the BDE.

A bit more data. Here's the page I'm looking at for download links:

http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeupdate.html

All the download links point to this site:

ftp://ftpc.borland.com/

They point at the /pub/bde/devsupport/updates directory, but there's not 
even a /pub directory on the FTP server.
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yes, the links all seem to be broken.. but if you're installing P10, it'll 
install the BDE, too.. 5.1.0.1, I think.. for 99.9% of us, that version is 
fine.. you can still go to ibinstall and get their installer, too..

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

"Kenneth Porter" <shiva.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote in message 
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>I just went to the supposed download page on Borland's site and found that
> all the FTP links are broken. So where does one download the latest BDE?
>
> I'm wanting to install Paradox 10 from WPO 2002 and I suspect I need to
> update the BDE. 


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"Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in
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> yes, the links all seem to be broken.. but if you're installing P10,
> it'll install the BDE, too.. 5.1.0.1, I think.. for 99.9% of us, that
> version is fine.. you can still go to ibinstall and get their
> installer, too.. 

Ah, thanks. I found what looks like 5.2 here:

http://ibinstall.defined.net/dl_bdeinfo.htm
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Apart from using OCX as a proxy, is there some way to remotely connect to 
the BDE from another workstation? (I'm looking for ways to connect code 
written in PHP on a Linux Apache setup to Paradox tables on a Windows box 
which are also in use by a Paradox application.)
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If I open P10 with just the project viewer showing, another user using the 
same net file is locked out of our app, seeing a BDE lock held by me. What 
should I check to see how I'm locking him out?
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> If I open P10 with just the project viewer showing, another user using the
> same net file is locked out of our app, seeing a BDE lock held by me. What
> should I check to see how I'm locking him out?

The usual, get everyone out, delete all .LCK files on server and in local 
PRIV. Check that the setting for the NET DIR is correct on all workstations, 
restart and hope for the best! :-)


Anders


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"Anders Jonsson" <gt3TakeThisAway@bredband.net> wrote in
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> The usual, get everyone out, delete all .LCK files on server and in
> local PRIV. Check that the setting for the NET DIR is correct on all
> workstations, restart and hope for the best! :-)

Ah, I wonder if it's locks in the local PRIV then. Maybe I'll add a line in 
my batch file that starts the application to delete those before launching 
Paradox. (It's launched with the config file specified on the command line, 
and uses a common one on the server, so everyone has the same settings.)
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Kenneth Porter wrote:

> Ah, I wonder if it's locks in the local PRIV then.

If locks in the local PRIV are blocking a second user from accessing, then 
make sure you aren't both using the same PRIV.  If you are, and if you try 
to delete lock files there on the way IN, chaos may reign.

-- 
Larry DiGiovanni 


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"Larry DiGiovanni" <nospam@nospam> wrote in
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> If locks in the local PRIV are blocking a second user from accessing,
> then make sure you aren't both using the same PRIV.  If you are, and
> if you try to delete lock files there on the way IN, chaos may reign.

No, "priv" is set to c:\inv\priv, so private to each workstation. (One user 
per workstation.)
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I have always been wondering how the communication between Paradox and the 
"PDOXUSRS.NET" file works. It is only for my own curiosity.

I know what the obvious is:

- each Paradox workstation has a BDE setting pointing to the same folder to 
allow multi-user access, using the file "PDOXUSRS.NET"
- when starting Pdox, an entry is recorded in the "PDOXUSRS.NET" file.
- when exiting Paradox the entry in "PDOXUSRS.NET" is removed

But I always wondered what happens when a workstation crashes, or Pdox is 
not exited properly. From another workstation, if trying to view the list of 
current Pdox users, the user that crashed does not appear. Even if there is 
a delay between the time of the crash and the time the file is updated, how 
does this happen? This is not a client/server situation, where a central 
software would constantly try to communicate with the current users to 
establish if they are still connected. Each workstation being independant, 
they do not communicate directly with each other.



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Denis Jobin wrote:
> I have always been wondering how the communication between Paradox and the
> "PDOXUSRS.NET" file works. It is only for my own curiosity.
> 
> I know what the obvious is:
> 
> - each Paradox workstation has a BDE setting pointing to the same folder
> to allow multi-user access, using the file "PDOXUSRS.NET"
> - when starting Pdox, an entry is recorded in the "PDOXUSRS.NET" file.
> - when exiting Paradox the entry in "PDOXUSRS.NET" is removed
> 
> But I always wondered what happens when a workstation crashes, or Pdox is
> not exited properly. From another workstation, if trying to view the list
> of current Pdox users, the user that crashed does not appear. Even if
> there is a delay between the time of the crash and the time the file is
> updated, how does this happen? This is not a client/server situation,
> where a central software would constantly try to communicate with the
> current users to establish if they are still connected. Each workstation
> being independant, they do not communicate directly with each other.


PDOXUSRS.NET is basically a communication-file:  who's logged-on.  When you
connect to Paradox an entry is made in this table.  When you leave, it's
cleared.

If you "crash," restart Paradox.  It'll know that it crashed and clean up.

----
ChimneySweep(R): Fast(!) table repair at a click of the mouse!
http://www.sundialservices.com
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Denis.. the only thing missing from that theory is that, if one workstation 
crashes, it DOES stay on the list, most of the time.. but, as Sundial said, 
the next login clears that info..

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Denis Jobin" <denis.jobin@sympatico.ca> wrote in message 
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>I have always been wondering how the communication between Paradox and the 
>"PDOXUSRS.NET" file works. It is only for my own curiosity.
>
> I know what the obvious is:
>
> - each Paradox workstation has a BDE setting pointing to the same folder 
> to allow multi-user access, using the file "PDOXUSRS.NET"
> - when starting Pdox, an entry is recorded in the "PDOXUSRS.NET" file.
> - when exiting Paradox the entry in "PDOXUSRS.NET" is removed
>
> But I always wondered what happens when a workstation crashes, or Pdox is 
> not exited properly. From another workstation, if trying to view the list 
> of current Pdox users, the user that crashed does not appear. Even if 
> there is a delay between the time of the crash and the time the file is 
> updated, how does this happen? This is not a client/server situation, 
> where a central software would constantly try to communicate with the 
> current users to establish if they are still connected. Each workstation 
> being independant, they do not communicate directly with each other.
>
>
> 


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Sundial Services <info@sundialservices.com> wrote in
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> If you "crash," restart Paradox.  It'll know that it crashed and clean
> up. 

Was thinking about how this could work, and I'd guess both the workstation 
name and process ID are stored. Presumably the BDE service keeps track of 
all local registered client processes. So in principle it can remove the 
listing when the client process disconnects. And it can clear all entries 
for that workstation when the service starts.
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What exists to allow accessing a remote Paradox DB via BDE using Visual C++ 
6 or 8 (VS 2005)? Are there any libraries to facilitate this?
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> Are there any libraries to facilitate this?

anything that directly accesses the BDE, including Paradox, uses native BDE 
API calls.. sometimes, you use those processes yourself, sometimes they're 
wrapped within default processes of the platform you're working with.. but 
it all comes down to those basic processes, one way or another..

http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeapiex/

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
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Paradox Support & Sales

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"Kenneth Porter" <shiva.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote in message 
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> What exists to allow accessing a remote Paradox DB via BDE using Visual 
> C++
> 6 or 8 (VS 2005)? Are there any libraries to facilitate this? 


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"Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in news:479deadb$1
@pnews.thedbcommunity.com:

> http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeapiex/

Thanks. With that clue I found a bunch of C++ stuff here:

http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/cppfiles.html

There's a VC4 import library that will probably work with VC6 or 8.
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please excuse the double post.  I didn't find this newsgroup until after I'd 
already posted on the database group.

we use dBase rather than Paradox but it was suggested that I try asking this
question here.  We've been struggling to get the BDE to work on 64 bit
Vista.  I can get it to work just fine on regular Vista by checking the
Win3.1 option (to make it store everything in a configuration file instead
of the registry) and making sure the data isn't in the program files
directory.  I'm having no similar luck on 64 bit.  I think I need to install
the BDE in a non-traditional location and set appropriate registry entries
but we haven't been able to get it to work.

has anyone here done it?

is there a particular installation program that knows how to touch all the
proper bases?  (we have an old version of Install Shield that came with
CBuilder3 and knows how to install the BDE but won't run on 64 bit, and a
version of InstallAware that came with CBuilder2007 which runs in 64 bit but
doesn't have a BDE option.  we tried having InstallAware copy the files and
leaving the registry entries to be set manually but that didn't seem to
work. maybe the registry must be set with an installation program or there
are non-obvious permissions that must be granted.  we're lost.

oh, if I'm asking in the wrong forum, please direct me to the proper place.

-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com



-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


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Frank -

The following was listed in and lifted from the "development" group.
I've referenced it a couple times already, and would find it much
faster had it been placed in the BDE group - two birds one stone.

Ed


Subj:  BDE with Vista ( from Tony McGuire  4/22/08 )

I created a routine for installing the BDE under Vista.  I only have
Home Premium, so I've only tested under that version of Vista.  Once
set up, it has run flawlessly.

There appears to be 2 potential issues with Vista and the BDE (I don't
believe either issue is an actual Paradox issue).

With the idapi32.cfg in the 'normal' location, the BDE, and therefore
Paradox, won't run.  So I distribute a default idapi32.cfg (with
netdir set to a sub\subdirectory of my application) and place JUST the
..cfg file in a subdirectory of my applications; I leave the default
location for installing the actual BDE.  I also set the location of
idapi32.cfg (CONFIGFILE01) in the registry.  This appears to clear up
the problem of the BDE not running under Vista.

Next, I also use the conditional code snippet for taskkill.exe posted
here.

Just thought a public version of these might help someone else.

My sincere appreciation to all here who helped to discover the above.

http://www.tonymcguire.com/bdeVista.htm


-- 
------------------------------
 Tony McGuire



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that would probably work for 32 bit Vista but we're having extra trouble on 
64 bit.  still I'll check out his page.  we've found on 32 bit that you have 
to go into Objects/Options and check the Win3.1 box and then do a saveAs on 
the configuration.  this sets the registry key to tell the BDE to store 
everything in the cfg file instead of the registry.

-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com
"Ed Covney" <ed(dot)covney(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in message 
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> Frank -
>
> The following was listed in and lifted from the "development" group.
> I've referenced it a couple times already, and would find it much
> faster had it been placed in the BDE group - two birds one stone.
>
> Ed
>
>
> Subj:  BDE with Vista ( from Tony McGuire  4/22/08 )
>
> I created a routine for installing the BDE under Vista.  I only have
> Home Premium, so I've only tested under that version of Vista.  Once
> set up, it has run flawlessly.
>
> There appears to be 2 potential issues with Vista and the BDE (I don't
> believe either issue is an actual Paradox issue).
>
> With the idapi32.cfg in the 'normal' location, the BDE, and therefore
> Paradox, won't run.  So I distribute a default idapi32.cfg (with
> netdir set to a sub\subdirectory of my application) and place JUST the
> .cfg file in a subdirectory of my applications; I leave the default
> location for installing the actual BDE.  I also set the location of
> idapi32.cfg (CONFIGFILE01) in the registry.  This appears to clear up
> the problem of the BDE not running under Vista.
>
> Next, I also use the conditional code snippet for taskkill.exe posted
> here.
>
> Just thought a public version of these might help someone else.
>
> My sincere appreciation to all here who helped to discover the above.
>
> http://www.tonymcguire.com/bdeVista.htm
>
>
> -- 
> ------------------------------
> Tony McGuire
>
>
> 


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Frank..

you can check the archives here (the paradox groups) or on the borland 
newsgroup (the bde group), but the limited vista experience everywhere has 
meant that there is no "one size fits all" process.. the vast majority of 
the people that you'd really want advice from, won't touch vista with a 
ten-foot pole..

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
news:489ca4ee$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> that would probably work for 32 bit Vista but we're having extra trouble 
> on 64 bit.  still I'll check out his page.  we've found on 32 bit that you 
> have to go into Objects/Options and check the Win3.1 box and then do a 
> saveAs on the configuration.  this sets the registry key to tell the BDE 
> to store everything in the cfg file instead of the registry.
>
> -- 
> Frank M. Cook
> www.acsplus.com
> "Ed Covney" <ed(dot)covney(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in message 
> news:489c7911$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> Frank -
>>
>> The following was listed in and lifted from the "development" group.
>> I've referenced it a couple times already, and would find it much
>> faster had it been placed in the BDE group - two birds one stone.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> Subj:  BDE with Vista ( from Tony McGuire  4/22/08 )
>>
>> I created a routine for installing the BDE under Vista.  I only have
>> Home Premium, so I've only tested under that version of Vista.  Once
>> set up, it has run flawlessly.
>>
>> There appears to be 2 potential issues with Vista and the BDE (I don't
>> believe either issue is an actual Paradox issue).
>>
>> With the idapi32.cfg in the 'normal' location, the BDE, and therefore
>> Paradox, won't run.  So I distribute a default idapi32.cfg (with
>> netdir set to a sub\subdirectory of my application) and place JUST the
>> .cfg file in a subdirectory of my applications; I leave the default
>> location for installing the actual BDE.  I also set the location of
>> idapi32.cfg (CONFIGFILE01) in the registry.  This appears to clear up
>> the problem of the BDE not running under Vista.
>>
>> Next, I also use the conditional code snippet for taskkill.exe posted
>> here.
>>
>> Just thought a public version of these might help someone else.
>>
>> My sincere appreciation to all here who helped to discover the above.
>>
>> http://www.tonymcguire.com/bdeVista.htm
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> ------------------------------
>> Tony McGuire
>>
>>
>>
>
> 


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Has anyone got the BDE working with networking on Wine (Ubuntu or Suse)? 
  I can get it to work for local use but not with a shared lock file 
over a Samba network.  I've got very limited Linux experience.  I've 
seen several discussions about the BDE and Wine on the wine forums but 
nothing that explicitly says they have it working over a network.  I am 
particularly interested in getting Corel's paradox to work over the network.
-- 
Mark B
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> you can check the archives here (the paradox groups) or on the borland 
> newsgroup (the bde group), but the limited vista experience everywhere has 
> meant that there is no "one size fits all" process.. the vast majority of 
> the people that you'd really want advice from, won't touch vista with a 
> ten-foot pole..

the BDE guys suggested I check here.  it must be nice to get to choose to 
ignore a windows version.  when one of our customers calls and says they 
have a new computer, we really don't want to tell them to take it back.  we 
had to do that once with a guy who bought 64 bit vista when we couldn't get 
the BDE to work.  perhaps if we'd had a few more days, we would have found 
the secret but his return window was closing.  it's only a matter of time 
until 64 bit systems are common and I either need to find out how to make 
the BDE work or start a crash program to change databases.

-- 
Frank M. Cook


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It might be a bit easier to "support" Vista if COREL had chosen to continue 
the product line.  Let's face it - the people here ahve been with pdox for 
all of it's life, but can only do so much when the world begins to pass it 
by with new OS'es.  How many other products do you know of that still work 
2-3 operating systems after any meaningful development work has been done to 
improve/enhance/keep up with the changes?
"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
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>> you can check the archives here (the paradox groups) or on the borland 
>> newsgroup (the bde group), but the limited vista experience everywhere 
>> has meant that there is no "one size fits all" process.. the vast 
>> majority of the people that you'd really want advice from, won't touch 
>> vista with a ten-foot pole..
>
> the BDE guys suggested I check here.  it must be nice to get to choose to 
> ignore a windows version.  when one of our customers calls and says they 
> have a new computer, we really don't want to tell them to take it back. 
> we had to do that once with a guy who bought 64 bit vista when we couldn't 
> get the BDE to work.  perhaps if we'd had a few more days, we would have 
> found the secret but his return window was closing.  it's only a matter of 
> time until 64 bit systems are common and I either need to find out how to 
> make the BDE work or start a crash program to change databases.
>
> -- 
> Frank M. Cook
>
> 


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actually we use dBase through C++Builder and not Paradox but the issues in 
installing the BDE are the same.  what I need are instructions or an 
installation program to install the BDE correctly on 64 bit computers.

-
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


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> it's only a matter of time until 64 bit systems are common and I either 
> need to find out how to make
the BDE work or start a crash program to change databases.

borland stopped actively supporting and developing the bde almost 10 years 
ago..corel stopped supporting and developing paradox shortly thereafter.. at 
that time, we were all still using win98.. even if you find a "fix", you 
should be well into developing your replacement programs..

to be blunt, you really can't blame the rest of us, if we can't help you do 
something most of us decided *not* to do.. the reason that there's no 
wide-spread vista solution is that the vast majority of the paradox and bde 
developers moved on to other things long ago and/or refused to support vista 
because of all the versions, variations, and other issues..

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
news:48a047b6$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> you can check the archives here (the paradox groups) or on the borland 
>> newsgroup (the bde group), but the limited vista experience everywhere 
>> has meant that there is no "one size fits all" process.. the vast 
>> majority of the people that you'd really want advice from, won't touch 
>> vista with a ten-foot pole..
>
> the BDE guys suggested I check here.  it must be nice to get to choose to 
> ignore a windows version.  when one of our customers calls and says they 
> have a new computer, we really don't want to tell them to take it back. 
> we had to do that once with a guy who bought 64 bit vista when we couldn't 
> get the BDE to work.  perhaps if we'd had a few more days, we would have 
> found the secret but his return window was closing.  it's only a matter of 
> time until 64 bit systems are common and I either need to find out how to 
> make the BDE work or start a crash program to change databases.
>
> -- 
> Frank M. Cook
>
> 


From - Tue Aug 12 16:43:53 2008
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> to be blunt, you really can't blame the rest of us, if we can't help you 
> do something most of us decided *not* to do.. the reason that there's no 
> wide-spread vista solution is that the vast majority of the paradox and 
> bde developers moved on to other things long ago and/or refused to support 
> vista because of all the versions, variations, and other issues..

oh, I'm not blaming anyone and we are well into a major product 
redevelopment that will leave the BDE behind. it's a timing issue. if I can 
find someone who can tell me definitively that either the BDE doesn't work 
in 64 bit or that it does work if you do so and so, then I have an interim 
answer while development is proceeding. right now we're telling our users 
who ask that 32 bit Vista is fine but 64 bit Vista is not.  we can get away 
with that for a little while but not forever.  so if I could find a way to 
install our current version and make it work on 64 bit Vista, it would buy 
me time.

-- 
Frank M. Cook


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Frank.. your best bet is to load a copy and try it yourself, of course.. 
that way, you're working with *your* environment.. as you well know, the 
main issue is that there is so little other data available..

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
news:48a195dd$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> to be blunt, you really can't blame the rest of us, if we can't help you 
>> do something most of us decided *not* to do.. the reason that there's no 
>> wide-spread vista solution is that the vast majority of the paradox and 
>> bde developers moved on to other things long ago and/or refused to 
>> support vista because of all the versions, variations, and other issues..
>
> oh, I'm not blaming anyone and we are well into a major product 
> redevelopment that will leave the BDE behind. it's a timing issue. if I 
> can find someone who can tell me definitively that either the BDE doesn't 
> work in 64 bit or that it does work if you do so and so, then I have an 
> interim answer while development is proceeding. right now we're telling 
> our users who ask that 32 bit Vista is fine but 64 bit Vista is not.  we 
> can get away with that for a little while but not forever.  so if I could 
> find a way to install our current version and make it work on 64 bit 
> Vista, it would buy me time.
>
> -- 
> Frank M. Cook
>
> 


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> Frank.. your best bet is to load a copy and try it yourself, of course..

which means investing in a new 64 bit computer that I really don't need 
otherwise but your point is well taken.

-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


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> which means investing in a new 64 bit computer that I really don't need

if you intend to support your app on that platform, yes you do need to make 
that investment.. that's why I tell people that I won't support Vista.. I 
have no intention of using it myself..

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
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>> Frank.. your best bet is to load a copy and try it yourself, of course..
>
> which means investing in a new 64 bit computer that I really don't need 
> otherwise but your point is well taken.
>
> -- 
> Frank M. Cook
> www.acsplus.com
> 


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>> which means investing in a new 64 bit computer that I really don't need
>
> if you intend to support your app on that platform, yes you do need to 
> make

the practical problem is that I did buy a new computer and put Vista on it 
very recently.  had I only known I was going to need 64 bit Vista I would 
have spent the extra then.  the problem was coming up so infrequently that I 
wasn't thinking about it.  all of a sudden though I read that 50% of new 
computer sales are 64 bit and I'm in trouble.
-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


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> all of a sudden though I read that 50% of new computer sales are 64 bit 
> and I'm in trouble

wow.. didn't know that.. that *IS* something to think about..

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
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>>> which means investing in a new 64 bit computer that I really don't need
>>
>> if you intend to support your app on that platform, yes you do need to 
>> make
>
> the practical problem is that I did buy a new computer and put Vista on it 
> very recently.  had I only known I was going to need 64 bit Vista I would 
> have spent the extra then.  the problem was coming up so infrequently that 
> I wasn't thinking about it.  all of a sudden though I read that 50% of new 
> computer sales are 64 bit and I'm in trouble.
> -- 
> Frank M. Cook
> www.acsplus.com
> 


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copied from Frank's message on the Borland BDE forum:

> although it was a long distance telephone install and it is possible that 
> the user wasn't understanding the instructions

all this time asking for help on the paradox and bde forums, and you don't 
even know for sure that there's a real problem????

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards 


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Subject: Re: 64 bit Vista
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> all this time asking for help on the paradox and bde forums, and you don't 
> even know for sure that there's a real problem????

I guess I'm the only one trying to do this.  if anyone else had been down 
this road, I would have gotten a quick answer.  I haven't.  the problem is 
real for me.

for what it is worth, I asked this question some months ago on the Borland 
forums, got no answer and dropped it.  when the Borland forums disappeared 
and were replaced by Embarcadero Forums, I reposted the question just in 
case.  I got a quick answer that it could be done with a suggestion that I 
try posting the question here because that person thought some of the 
paradox people had been down this road.  guess not.  time to drop it again.
-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


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Subject: Re: 64 bit Vista
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> although it was a long distance telephone install and it is possible that 
> the user wasn't understanding the instructions

Frank.. the statement above changes the meaning and context of every reply 
you've gotten, on every thread, on every forum..

the limited knowledgebase indicates that the old "win 3.1" bde installation 
works on vista, because it allows you to totally bypass all the vista 
"access rights" limitations.. so far, that seems to be a solid game plan, 
even if it's not convenient for everyone..

you've been telling us, over and over, for several months, that this doesn't 
work for you.. you never had any specific details or error messages to 
quote, but we believed you and tried to help you..

now you tell us that you've been basing that conclusion on an attempted 
installation by phone, with no way of knowing if the person at the other end 
of the phone knew what they were doing.. to be honest, that's some pretty 
sad support..


--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards 


From - Fri Aug 15 14:13:56 2008
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Subject: Re: 64 bit Vista
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I'm confident that we handled the phone call right. it was a quality user 
with good technical ability and we had a programmer on the phone for an 
extended period of time.  we tried everything we could think of and 
everything that was suggested on the forums and failed.  still honesty and 
Murphy's Law required the admission that there was some possibility it was 
user error.

in any event, I ordered a 64 bit computer from Dell today so week after next 
we'll try it in house.  I'll create a restore point on the system and 
experiment.  if I get it working, I'll restore the system back to the 
pristine condition and make sure I can replicate the proper installation. 
either way, once I succeed or fail, I'll report back so that others don't 
have to reinvent this wheel.

-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


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Subject: Re: 64 bit Vista
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> still honesty and Murphy's Law required the admission that there was some 
> possibility it was
user error.

thanks, Frank.. I really *do* want to know how this plays out.. I had a lot 
of the same experiences, long ago, but finally started telling people "I 
can't see it, so I don't know what you're seeing".. now, I only do that kind 
of support when I can log in with netmeeting, or webx, or regular remote 
access, something like that..

takes most of the guesswork out of the event, and my hair is turning gray a 
lot slower now, too (g)

--
Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales

Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
news:48a5dc0b$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> I'm confident that we handled the phone call right. it was a quality user 
> with good technical ability and we had a programmer on the phone for an 
> extended period of time.  we tried everything we could think of and 
> everything that was suggested on the forums and failed.  still honesty and 
> Murphy's Law required the admission that there was some possibility it was 
> user error.
>
> in any event, I ordered a 64 bit computer from Dell today so week after 
> next we'll try it in house.  I'll create a restore point on the system and 
> experiment.  if I get it working, I'll restore the system back to the 
> pristine condition and make sure I can replicate the proper installation. 
> either way, once I succeed or fail, I'll report back so that others don't 
> have to reinvent this wheel.
>
> -- 
> Frank M. Cook
> www.acsplus.com
> 


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Subject: Re: 64 bit Vista
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> thanks, Frank.. I really *do* want to know how this plays out.. I had a 
> lot of the same experiences, long ago, but finally started telling people 
> "I can't see it, so I don't know what you're seeing".. now, I only do that 
> kind of support when I can log in with netmeeting, or webx, or regular 
> remote access, something like that..

we've been supporting our product for a little over 20 years now.  in the 
early days we used to sell a lot of PCAnywhere and modem in.  it's been a 
long time since we needed to do that.  we've gotten pretty good at telephone 
support.  sure every once in a while we have to say, "I'm sorry I can't see 
you're screen so you'll have to tell me again exactly what it says" but 20 
years of being in the support business teaches you what the frequent 
questions are.  we've redesigned our product numerous times to change the 
user interface to eliminate common confusions.  I'm 100% confident that this 
particular user copied the right files to the right directories and entered 
the registry keys we told him to enter.

we might have thought of some other things to try had we been on site but 
frankly we ran out of time.  they guy had to choose between trying more and 
returning the computer to BestBuy and exchanging it for a 32 bit model and 
was down to a one day deadline.  he chose return and we moved on.  last week 
I got a newsletter with a story that 64 bit computers are suddenly hot 
sellers and I got scared.  I'm scared enough that I just spent $900 to buy a 
new computer so we can try it ourselves.

I can understand why you'd think our test wasn't valid and maybe it wasn't. 
frankly, I hope it was a bad test and we can find the magic sequence that 
makes the BDE work.  I want to replace the BDE but in my January release and 
not in something I have to rush out the door in September.

-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


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Hi all,

I have now uploaded beta versions of my BDE installation routines. These 
have been fully tested under Windows XP SP1 and 2 (but not 3 as yet). I will 
be doing some final testing under Windows Vista Business (32 Bit Only) over 
the next few days.

To receive the download information send an email to:
bde AT all2ezy DOT com
with the subject line: BDE Installer
contents can be blank or you can pass on a message.

You should receive an auto response within a few minutes providing you with 
the download links. Please do not post the links online anywhere because the 
last time I did something like this, the website got absolutely hammered by 
chinese and other hackers for quite a while afterwards.

Leslie.


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> We've been struggling to get the BDE to work on 64 bit
> Vista.

I installed Paradox v9, SP3 and then Leslie Milburn's BDE installer
on a new Win Vista Business 64-bit and haven't had a problem that
wasn't easily cured. And I didn't even mess with the UAC.

Steps:

1) custom installed local paradox to:  C:\PDOX9
    (&..\Shared) ...   rebooted
2) installed SP3 ...  rebooted
3) installed Leslie Milburn's BDE  (C:\BDE32 by default)
4) deleted dir  C:\Program Files (x86)\Borland
5) Config'd BDE Net file "S:\"  (mapped Win2K server)

It behaves no differently than my other XP pro systems. The problems
I have encountered like Win Media Player refusing to play my MP3
files was easily cured by reg'ng mp3's & M3U's  to  mplayerc.exe
(which I manually placed in the C:\Program Files (x86)\  directory.)

> I can get it to work just fine on regular Vista by checking the Win3.1 
> option (to make it store everything in a configuration file instead of the 
> registry)

What BDE version do you have?   You may want to try Leslie's
BDE installer - send an email to:  bde AT all2ezy DOT com with
the subject line: BDE Installer  which will trigger a auto response
and a download link. (If it still works?)

Ed






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I do have Leslie's stuff but it looks like we've been able to get everything 
to work another way.  we bought QSetup and used it to first install the 
Borland merge file and then to give "everyone" full control of the CFG file. 
so far this seems to be working at every site we've tried it on including a 
64 bit Vista we bought for testing purposes, save one.

the one exception seems to be some sort of rights issue with our application 
rather than the BDE itself.  the particular site has multiple users defined 
and can only run our application as administrator.  we ran out of time to 
debug it Friday night and the user hasn't called back today.  maybe the 
particular employee that was working with us Friday was off work today.  we 
suspect that we need to tweak their user setup to make sure that all their 
users have full control of our application directory.  it's even possible 
that they've removed their users from the everyone group.  time will tell.

the main problem I have with going forward further with Leslie's stuff is 
that it is all wrapped up in a separate installation routine and I need to 
create a routine that installs both my application and the BDE.  I don't 
know enough about installation routines to deconstruct his msi file to turn 
it into a merge file.

-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


From - Mon Sep 15 20:29:57 2008
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"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
news:48cecbf3$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...

>
> the main problem I have with going forward further with Leslie's stuff is 
> that it is all wrapped up in a separate installation routine and I need to 
> create a routine that installs both my application and the BDE.  I don't 
> know enough about installation routines to deconstruct his msi file to 
> turn it into a merge file.
>
> -- 
> Frank M. Cook
> www.acsplus.com

Frank,

What I do is simply run the new BDE setup.exe from my own application 
install script. The terminology in Installshield Express is a custom action 
but instead of calling a DLL you are simply calling the setup.exe and 
waiting for it to complete. I have done it this way since Installshield 2.01 
and what it has meant is that I never have to recreate the BDE installer 
again (until now) and therefore do not have to worry about the current BDE 
configuration on the development machine - which is usually 99.9% of the 
cause of the "failed to merge configuration file" error people get when 
creating their own BDE install routine and it failing on a customer site.

And even more important for your Frank, is that it means you can use any 
setup program you want for your own application whereas if you are to 
include the BDE msi then as per the licence you *must* use either 
installshield or wise. In other words, using Qsetup is not compliant and you 
are actually in breach of the BDE distribution licence.

Leslie.


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"Ed Covney" <ed(dot)covney(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in message 
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>> We've been struggling to get the BDE to work on 64 bit
>> Vista.
>
> I installed Paradox v9, SP3 and then Leslie Milburn's BDE installer
> on a new Win Vista Business 64-bit and haven't had a problem that
> wasn't easily cured. And I didn't even mess with the UAC.
>
> Steps:
>
> 1) custom installed local paradox to:  C:\PDOX9
>    (&..\Shared) ...   rebooted
> 2) installed SP3 ...  rebooted
> 3) installed Leslie Milburn's BDE  (C:\BDE32 by default)
> 4) deleted dir  C:\Program Files (x86)\Borland
> 5) Config'd BDE Net file "S:\"  (mapped Win2K server)
>

Hi Ed,

Just to let you know that you can change the default location and NetDir by 
updating the bdesupp.ini file (and also add aliases whilst elevated), if 
thats any help.

Leslie. 


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> include the BDE msi then as per the licence you *must* use either 
> installshield or wise. In other words, using Qsetup is not compliant and 
> you are actually in breach of the BDE distribution licence.

they can't have it both ways.  if they insist that it is a deprecated 
product and they don't have to fix things, then they can't use the old 
license terms to keep me from fixing it.  at least that's the legal advice 
I'm giving myself.  it's not a legal opinion I'm offerring to the public at 
large.

in any event, I've got a solution that should get me by until I can get a 
version working that uses another database.

I see you've posted another message.  I'll go read it now before I write 
more.

-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


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"Frank M. Cook" <fcook@acsplus.com> wrote in message 
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>> include the BDE msi then as per the licence you *must* use either 
>> installshield or wise. In other words, using Qsetup is not compliant and 
>> you are actually in breach of the BDE distribution licence.
>
> they can't have it both ways.  if they insist that it is a deprecated 
> product and they don't have to fix things, then they can't use the old 
> license terms to keep me from fixing it.

Yes they can and thats why I have been very careful to produce something 
that is compliant and yet customizable at the same time.
Leslie



From - Tue Sep 16 16:27:47 2008
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> Just to let you know that you can change the default location and NetDir 
> by updating the bdesupp.ini file (and also add aliases whilst elevated), 
> if thats any help.

Lelie -

Thank you!

I have a preference for 8.3 names for anything to do with
Pdox and your default "BDE32" suits me fine.

I bought Vista Home Basic (pre-SP1) laptop a little over
a year ago - a nightmare. But 64-bit Vista Business SP1
is a pleasure - only slightly more annoying than XP pro
and none of the problems I originally had with PDox &
networking.

Ed 


From - Tue Sep 16 16:27:47 2008
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I'm staying away from those solutions that run a Borland DLL but I feel 
comfortable using an MSM file that Code Gear makes available for download no 
matter what installation program I call it from.  if I get a nasty letter 
from a lawyer, I'll deal with it.  your stuff looks to be well done and if 
it were packaged in a way that would allow me to call your extra stuff after 
running the merge file I'd consider it seriously.  however, so far it 
doesn't look like I really need the extras as long as I give full control to 
the CFG file.

-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com 


From - Thu Sep 18 16:28:43 2008
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We're seeing something really weird on our development machine.  the Code 
Gear forums seem to be down today.  I'll post this there too when I can even 
though I don't normally like to double post.

Our application built with CB3 wasn't working on the 32 bit Vista computer 
that we're using for CB2007 development.  So thinking we'd messed up the 
registry when we were testing some things for 64 bit vista I reinstalled the 
BDE using the Code Gear merge file.  once I made sure that all the visible 
registry entries were pointed at the copy of the BDE installed under the
Borland Shared directory, the CB3 program began to work normally.  we could 
change things in the config file from our CB3 application and see the 
changes in BDEAdmin.

then we went back to CB2007 and it was now broken.  it could no longer see 
the aliases that we could see in the BDEAdmin. programs compiled with CB2007 
no longer worked.  so after some false starts, we added some code to our 
CB2007 app to create the alias and it came back.  it appears to us that 
BDEAdmin and programs compiled under CB3 are showing the values from the 
"actual" CFG file in the BDE directory underneath Borland Shared while 
CB2007 code seems to be showing some virtualized file.  so far we haven't 
found a way to force the BDE and CB 2007 to use the same version of the file 
on Vista and to see changes made by each other.

tomorrow we're going to run some tests to see what happens when we copy the 
applications created under CB2007 to an XP computer.
-- 
Frank M. Cook
www.acsplus.com



From - Fri Dec 19 17:41:22 2008
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I lost my copy of the 4 GB limitation fix, and I can't seem to find it on 
the newsgroups or on the Pdx website.  I've been searching for two days, but 
I guess I just don't know the right way to search.  Would someone tell me 
where I can find it.  I just installed a new computer and need to apply the 
fix. 


From - Fri Dec 19 17:41:23 2008
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Rob

Its in the downloads section, far right menu item called:
    Fix_For_Incorrect_BDE_Error-If_Free_Disk_Space_Exceeds_4GB.zip
or use this link
http://www.thedbcommunity.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=63&func=fileinfo&filecatid=96&parent=category

Unfortuneately the search does not seem to find it.

HTH - Rick

"Rob Taylor" <creacontech@alltel.net> wrote in message 
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>I lost my copy of the 4 GB limitation fix, and I can't seem to find it on 
>the newsgroups or on the Pdx website.  I've been searching for two days, 
>but I guess I just don't know the right way to search.  Would someone tell 
>me where I can find it.  I just installed a new computer and need to apply 
>the fix.
> 


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Thanks a million Rick.  This time I copied it to my Network Attached Storage 
device which has a Raid 1 array.  Also put it on a flash drive, so hopefully 
I won't lose it again.

"Rick Rans" <rick.rans@canada.com> wrote in message 
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> Rob
>
> Its in the downloads section, far right menu item called:
>    Fix_For_Incorrect_BDE_Error-If_Free_Disk_Space_Exceeds_4GB.zip
> or use this link
> http://www.thedbcommunity.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=63&func=fileinfo&filecatid=96&parent=category
>
> Unfortuneately the search does not seem to find it.
>
> HTH - Rick
>
> "Rob Taylor" <creacontech@alltel.net> wrote in message 
> news:494bf535@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>I lost my copy of the 4 GB limitation fix, and I can't seem to find it on 
>>the newsgroups or on the Pdx website.  I've been searching for two days, 
>>but I guess I just don't know the right way to search.  Would someone tell 
>>me where I can find it.  I just installed a new computer and need to apply 
>>the fix.
>>
>
> 


From - Mon Dec 22 16:24:57 2008
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Rob Taylor wrote:

>I lost my copy of the 4 GB limitation fix, and I can't seem to find it on 
>the newsgroups or on the Pdx website.

The file repository search is separate.  When you first go into the 
downloads, there's a search link at the bottom.  Time permitting, I'll add 
that to the general search link as a separate section.  Time permitting.  :)

-- 
Larry DiGiovanni 


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I'm installing Pdx on a new laptop, and need to change the location  of the 
BDE  in one of my configurations (i.e. I need to have two configurations, 
one for local desktop use, where the NETDIR is on an NAS drive {Z:} and one 
for mobile use where NETDIR is on the C: drive).

I can't seem to change the NETDIR location in one of the configurations.  I 
open the BDE Administrator, open the config, and change the NETDIR location. 
Help says to then click "Object>Apply", but it's greyed out.  I try saving 
it, but when I reopen it, the old setting is still there.  When I press the 
"..." button, I get an error message saying, "The filename is invalid".

Can anyone please tell me what I'm missing, or doing wrong? 


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Do we know that the location you are entering for the configuration is a 
valid location?

As for having two netdirs - I never undertand why people need to do that. 
Since all the net dir does is control record locking, if your reason is to 
separate "test" from "prod" situations, that should be well controlled by 
where your aliases point.

As for your specific example - it sounds like you are running mobile apps 
that are using non-shared tables on the c: drive and then bringing the data 
back "home" and merging it with the rest of the data.  If not, this sounds 
problematic itself.
"Rob Taylor" <creacontech@windstream.net> wrote in message 
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> I'm installing Pdx on a new laptop, and need to change the location  of 
> the BDE  in one of my configurations (i.e. I need to have two 
> configurations, one for local desktop use, where the NETDIR is on an NAS 
> drive {Z:} and one for mobile use where NETDIR is on the C: drive).
>
> I can't seem to change the NETDIR location in one of the configurations. 
> I open the BDE Administrator, open the config, and change the NETDIR 
> location. Help says to then click "Object>Apply", but it's greyed out.  I 
> try saving it, but when I reopen it, the old setting is still there.  When 
> I press the "..." button, I get an error message saying, "The filename is 
> invalid".
>
> Can anyone please tell me what I'm missing, or doing wrong?
> 


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"Jim Giner" <Jim.Giner@albanyhandball.com> wrote in message 
news:49ba91ca@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Do we know that the location you are entering for the configuration is a 
> valid location?

Yup, tis!
>
> As for having two netdirs - I never undertand why people need to do that. 
> Since all the net dir does is control record locking, if your reason is to 
> separate "test" from "prod" situations, that should be well controlled by 
> where your aliases point.

Because when I'm working locally (development & database updating) the 
application system is on a Network Attached Storage Raid 1 array, accessable 
to all computers on the net.  When I'm working mobile (e.g. at a customer 
location) doing installation and training, I copy everything to the C: drive 
of my laptop.  I used to have the netdir on the C:\ drive of my laptop with 
all the computers pointing to that, but that doesn't work out all the time 
now, because now my wife and I share the new one, and sometimes she has the 
laptop with her, doing bookkeeping at her customers' locations, and I'm 
trying to work at home.  If I put it on one of the other network computers, 
then I won't have it with me when I go mobile.
>
> As for your specific example - it sounds like you are running mobile apps 
> that are using non-shared tables on the c: drive and then bringing the 
> data back "home" and merging it with the rest of the data.

Not exactly;  see above.

  If not, this sounds problematic itself.

But why can't I change the netdir in the .cfg?

> "Rob Taylor" <creacontech@windstream.net> wrote in message 
> news:49ba7fa3$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> I'm installing Pdx on a new laptop, and need to change the location  of 
>> the BDE  in one of my configurations (i.e. I need to have two 
>> configurations, one for local desktop use, where the NETDIR is on an NAS 
>> drive {Z:} and one for mobile use where NETDIR is on the C: drive).
>>
>> I can't seem to change the NETDIR location in one of the configurations. 
>> I open the BDE Administrator, open the config, and change the NETDIR 
>> location. Help says to then click "Object>Apply", but it's greyed out.  I 
>> try saving it, but when I reopen it, the old setting is still there. 
>> When I press the "..." button, I get an error message saying, "The 
>> filename is invalid".
>>
>> Can anyone please tell me what I'm missing, or doing wrong?
>>
>
> 


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Are you sure the BDE can create a file in that dir (just because you the 
user can doesn't mean that an application can)?  Are you sure that the 
config file is in an editable location?  Are you sure it's not trying to 
write to the registry and that's allowed?

Liz


Rob Taylor wrote:
> I'm installing Pdx on a new laptop, and need to change the location  of the 
> BDE  in one of my configurations (i.e. I need to have two configurations, 
> one for local desktop use, where the NETDIR is on an NAS drive {Z:} and one 
> for mobile use where NETDIR is on the C: drive).
> 
> I can't seem to change the NETDIR location in one of the configurations.  I 
> open the BDE Administrator, open the config, and change the NETDIR location. 
> Help says to then click "Object>Apply", but it's greyed out.  I try saving 
> it, but when I reopen it, the old setting is still there.  When I press the 
> "..." button, I get an error message saying, "The filename is invalid".
> 
> Can anyone please tell me what I'm missing, or doing wrong? 
> 
> 
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If this could be one of those long directory name problems,
try locating Leslie Melburn's BDE installer.

Ed


"Rob Taylor" <creacontech@windstream.net> wrote in message 
news:49ba7fa3$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> I'm installing Pdx on a new laptop, and need to change the location  of 
> the BDE  in one of my configurations (i.e. I need to have two 
> configurations, one for local desktop use, where the NETDIR is on an NAS 
> drive {Z:} and one for mobile use where NETDIR is on the C: drive).
>
> I can't seem to change the NETDIR location in one of the configurations. 
> I open the BDE Administrator, open the config, and change the NETDIR 
> location. Help says to then click "Object>Apply", but it's greyed out.  I 
> try saving it, but when I reopen it, the old setting is still there.  When 
> I press the "..." button, I get an error message saying, "The filename is 
> invalid".
>
> Can anyone please tell me what I'm missing, or doing wrong?
> 


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> As for having two netdirs - I never undertand why people need to do that. 
> Since all the net dir does is control record locking, if your reason is to 
> separate "test" from "prod" situations, that should be well controlled by 
> where your aliases point.

If you work in a network app with shared data you MUST have the NET-file in 
a shared location.

If you disconnect from the network and wan't to run Paradox you will get an 
error that the NET-file is not available, hence the need for two setups.

Anders


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>>> Can anyone please tell me what I'm missing, or doing wrong?


Are you running Vista?

If so, right click the BDEAmin.exe in the BDE folder - NOT in the 
controlpanel - and choose "run as administrator" and see if that makes a 
difference.

Anders



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I"m having real issues with my normal paradox user and my web appls that use 
odbc connections to access data in paradox as well as my SQL server.  The 
two don't play well at all ever since my systems guys moved a server.  Since 
then my paradox user creates locks or else my web appls do it and everyone 
gets locked out of things.

I'm trying to test a potential move of my network control dir to one of my 
own servers (under my control) and hopefully debug the error by moving 
everyting away from the problem server.  Problem is I cna't make it work.

So far:
Trying to setup a distinct "test" environment for paradox I did this:

I created a folder for my idapi and my network control file on my test 
server

I modified my win.ini (running xp ) to point to this new idapi folder/file

I modified the idapi cfg to point to the new network control folder on my 
server.

I try to bring up paradox and I get a pdox dialog saying:
**
Network initialization failed, Directory: T:\cfnetdevl\ file: 
T:\cfnetdevl\pdoxusrs.net Cannot access network lock file. Continue with 
network disabled?
(followed by a Yes/No choice)
**
now everything I've researched says pdox will create the network control 
file but it looks like it's not.  So I copied it in from my prod folder and 
I still get this message.  So how come it doesn't?  And just what does that 
message mean?  I have given myself almost complete acccess (just short of 
full control) and I get this error?  Is there some special uid I need to 
assign? 


From - Fri Jul 24 12:17:02 2009
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> And just what does that message mean?

usually means that folder doesn't exist..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
news:4a69d2b0@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> I"m having real issues with my normal paradox user and my web appls that 
> use odbc connections to access data in paradox as well as my SQL server. 
> The two don't play well at all ever since my systems guys moved a server. 
> Since then my paradox user creates locks or else my web appls do it and 
> everyone gets locked out of things.
>
> I'm trying to test a potential move of my network control dir to one of my 
> own servers (under my control) and hopefully debug the error by moving 
> everyting away from the problem server.  Problem is I cna't make it work.
>
> So far:
> Trying to setup a distinct "test" environment for paradox I did this:
>
> I created a folder for my idapi and my network control file on my test 
> server
>
> I modified my win.ini (running xp ) to point to this new idapi folder/file
>
> I modified the idapi cfg to point to the new network control folder on my 
> server.
>
> I try to bring up paradox and I get a pdox dialog saying:
> **
> Network initialization failed, Directory: T:\cfnetdevl\ file: 
> T:\cfnetdevl\pdoxusrs.net Cannot access network lock file. Continue with 
> network disabled?
> (followed by a Yes/No choice)
> **
> now everything I've researched says pdox will create the network control 
> file but it looks like it's not.  So I copied it in from my prod folder 
> and I still get this message.  So how come it doesn't?  And just what does 
> that message mean?  I have given myself almost complete acccess (just 
> short of full control) and I get this error?  Is there some special uid I 
> need to assign?
> 

From - Fri Jul 24 12:17:03 2009
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but it does that's what's so bothersome.  Checked the spelling, the mapping, 
the slashes, etc.
"Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in message 
news:4a69e69f$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> And just what does that message mean?
>
> usually means that folder doesn't exist..
>
> --
>
> Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
>
> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>
> Oasis Trading Post
> - Collectibles and Memorabilia
> - Vintage and Custom Lego Creations
>
> Diamond Software Group
> - Paradox Sales and Support
>
> Diamond Sports Gems
> - Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
> news:4a69d2b0@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> I"m having real issues with my normal paradox user and my web appls that 
>> use odbc connections to access data in paradox as well as my SQL server. 
>> The two don't play well at all ever since my systems guys moved a server. 
>> Since then my paradox user creates locks or else my web appls do it and 
>> everyone gets locked out of things.
>>
>> I'm trying to test a potential move of my network control dir to one of 
>> my own servers (under my control) and hopefully debug the error by moving 
>> everyting away from the problem server.  Problem is I cna't make it work.
>>
>> So far:
>> Trying to setup a distinct "test" environment for paradox I did this:
>>
>> I created a folder for my idapi and my network control file on my test 
>> server
>>
>> I modified my win.ini (running xp ) to point to this new idapi 
>> folder/file
>>
>> I modified the idapi cfg to point to the new network control folder on my 
>> server.
>>
>> I try to bring up paradox and I get a pdox dialog saying:
>> **
>> Network initialization failed, Directory: T:\cfnetdevl\ file: 
>> T:\cfnetdevl\pdoxusrs.net Cannot access network lock file. Continue with 
>> network disabled?
>> (followed by a Yes/No choice)
>> **
>> now everything I've researched says pdox will create the network control 
>> file but it looks like it's not.  So I copied it in from my prod folder 
>> and I still get this message.  So how come it doesn't?  And just what 
>> does that message mean?  I have given myself almost complete acccess 
>> (just short of full control) and I get this error?  Is there some special 
>> uid I need to assign?
>>
> 


From - Fri Jul 24 12:17:04 2009
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I even went and matched the capitalization of the entries.  To No Avail. 


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for those that still use P5 and old 16 bit apps with NO support for long 
file names: REMEMBER TO NOT EXCEED THE 8 CHAR NAMING LIMIT FOR YOUR NET DIR 
NAME.

I was always using CFNETDIR for my prod. but when I wanted to attempt to 
setup a development folder and migrate my devl work away from the prod 
network control file, I created a folder called CFNETDEVL.  No wonder p5 
couldn't find the folder - it doesn't recognize that name! 


From - Tue Jul 28 16:47:28 2009
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Ok - I've solved my riddle of getting pdoxusrs.net re-located and we don't 
have any issues with multiple net dirs any more.  The new problem is that 
LCK files don't seem to always go away, or are getting corrupted somehow.

I have pure desktop Pdox users (5.0) and I have web applications using Cold 
Fusion and ODBC to make inquiries and updates against some pdox tables.  Up 
until a month or so ago before some needed server migrations started all our 
issues we had no problem sharing data in this way.  Now it seems that the 
LCK files are the problem.  Several times a day either a desktip pdox user 
or my web appls. get locked up trying to access one of several folders. 
When I diagnose which one it is and look to see who's in there, I usually 
see either nobody or someone who has been idle for awhile.  If I manually 
delete the LCK file on the server in that folder, the probleml goes away.

From my reading of the Lockwise literature of Al's it says that LCK files 
either get re-used or the y get deleted when the last user exits.  Has 
anyone else come across this problem? 


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> it says that LCK files either get re-used or they get deleted when the 
> last user exits.

correct.. that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.. but now, it's not (g).. first 
thing to always check is oplocks, caching, local share, etc.. second thing 
is network burps, because that can make it fail to update/delete the lock 
files.. paradox goes on its' merry way, til the failed update/delete causes 
a lock conflict with a ghost user..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
news:4a6f1cf8$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Ok - I've solved my riddle of getting pdoxusrs.net re-located and we don't 
> have any issues with multiple net dirs any more.  The new problem is that 
> LCK files don't seem to always go away, or are getting corrupted somehow.
>
> I have pure desktop Pdox users (5.0) and I have web applications using 
> Cold Fusion and ODBC to make inquiries and updates against some pdox 
> tables.  Up until a month or so ago before some needed server migrations 
> started all our issues we had no problem sharing data in this way.  Now it 
> seems that the LCK files are the problem.  Several times a day either a 
> desktip pdox user or my web appls. get locked up trying to access one of 
> several folders. When I diagnose which one it is and look to see who's in 
> there, I usually see either nobody or someone who has been idle for 
> awhile.  If I manually delete the LCK file on the server in that folder, 
> the probleml goes away.
>
> From my reading of the Lockwise literature of Al's it says that LCK files 
> either get re-used or the y get deleted when the last user exits.  Has 
> anyone else come across this problem?
> 

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discounting the burps, because that hasn't been a problem all along.  What's 
the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?  What s/b settting and where 
is this done - in the registry? on the clients? on the data servers?
"Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in message 
news:4a6f212c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> it says that LCK files either get re-used or they get deleted when the 
>> last user exits.
>
> correct.. that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.. but now, it's not (g).. first 
> thing to always check is oplocks, caching, local share, etc.. second thing 
> is network burps, because that can make it fail to update/delete the lock 
> files.. paradox goes on its' merry way, til the failed update/delete 
> causes a lock conflict with a ghost user..
>
> --
>
> Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
>
> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>
> Oasis Trading Post
> - Collectibles and Memorabilia
> - Vintage and Custom Lego Creations
>
> Diamond Software Group
> - Paradox Sales and Support
>
> Diamond Sports Gems
> - Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
> news:4a6f1cf8$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> Ok - I've solved my riddle of getting pdoxusrs.net re-located and we 
>> don't have any issues with multiple net dirs any more.  The new problem 
>> is that LCK files don't seem to always go away, or are getting corrupted 
>> somehow.
>>
>> I have pure desktop Pdox users (5.0) and I have web applications using 
>> Cold Fusion and ODBC to make inquiries and updates against some pdox 
>> tables.  Up until a month or so ago before some needed server migrations 
>> started all our issues we had no problem sharing data in this way.  Now 
>> it seems that the LCK files are the problem.  Several times a day either 
>> a desktip pdox user or my web appls. get locked up trying to access one 
>> of several folders. When I diagnose which one it is and look to see who's 
>> in there, I usually see either nobody or someone who has been idle for 
>> awhile.  If I manually delete the LCK file on the server in that folder, 
>> the probleml goes away.
>>
>> From my reading of the Lockwise literature of Al's it says that LCK files 
>> either get re-used or the y get deleted when the last user exits.  Has 
>> anyone else come across this problem?
>>
> 


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> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?

and you've been doing this for how many years? (g).. bde local share TRUE 
everywhere.. write caching off on the drives everywhere, especially the 
shared drives.. (usually has to be done manually, thru the drive 
properties).. oplocks off in the registry everywhere.. (the actual line item 
syntax varies, from windows version to windows version)

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

"Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
news:4a6f2f54$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> discounting the burps, because that hasn't been a problem all along. 
> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?  What s/b settting 
> and where is this done - in the registry? on the clients? on the data 
> servers?
> "Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in message 
> news:4a6f212c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>> it says that LCK files either get re-used or they get deleted when the 
>>> last user exits.
>>
>> correct.. that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.. but now, it's not (g).. 
>> first thing to always check is oplocks, caching, local share, etc.. 
>> second thing is network burps, because that can make it fail to 
>> update/delete the lock files.. paradox goes on its' merry way, til the 
>> failed update/delete causes a lock conflict with a ghost user..
>>
>> --
>>
>> Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
>>
>> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>>
>> Oasis Trading Post
>> - Collectibles and Memorabilia
>> - Vintage and Custom Lego Creations
>>
>> Diamond Software Group
>> - Paradox Sales and Support
>>
>> Diamond Sports Gems
>> - Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
>> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
>> news:4a6f1cf8$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>> Ok - I've solved my riddle of getting pdoxusrs.net re-located and we 
>>> don't have any issues with multiple net dirs any more.  The new problem 
>>> is that LCK files don't seem to always go away, or are getting corrupted 
>>> somehow.
>>>
>>> I have pure desktop Pdox users (5.0) and I have web applications using 
>>> Cold Fusion and ODBC to make inquiries and updates against some pdox 
>>> tables.  Up until a month or so ago before some needed server migrations 
>>> started all our issues we had no problem sharing data in this way.  Now 
>>> it seems that the LCK files are the problem.  Several times a day either 
>>> a desktip pdox user or my web appls. get locked up trying to access one 
>>> of several folders. When I diagnose which one it is and look to see 
>>> who's in there, I usually see either nobody or someone who has been idle 
>>> for awhile.  If I manually delete the LCK file on the server in that 
>>> folder, the probleml goes away.
>>>
>>> From my reading of the Lockwise literature of Al's it says that LCK 
>>> files either get re-used or the y get deleted when the last user exits. 
>>> Has anyone else come across this problem?
>>>
>>
>
> 

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And I've never paid any attention to these things.  :)

so - in paradox if I go to my idapi settings I see that local share is off. 
That's wrong?

How does one set write caching since I've never done it?
And where does one begin to look for oplocks - haven't a clue what it 
applies to.
"Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in message 
news:4a6f3eaf$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?
>
> and you've been doing this for how many years? (g).. bde local share TRUE 
> everywhere.. write caching off on the drives everywhere, especially the 
> shared drives.. (usually has to be done manually, thru the drive 
> properties).. oplocks off in the registry everywhere.. (the actual line 
> item syntax varies, from windows version to windows version)
>
> --
>
> Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
>
> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>
> Oasis Trading Post
> - Collectibles and Memorabilia
> - Vintage and Custom Lego Creations
>
> Diamond Software Group
> - Paradox Sales and Support
>
> Diamond Sports Gems
> - Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
>
> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
> news:4a6f2f54$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> discounting the burps, because that hasn't been a problem all along. 
>> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?  What s/b settting 
>> and where is this done - in the registry? on the clients? on the data 
>> servers?
>> "Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in message 
>> news:4a6f212c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>>> it says that LCK files either get re-used or they get deleted when the 
>>>> last user exits.
>>>
>>> correct.. that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.. but now, it's not (g).. 
>>> first thing to always check is oplocks, caching, local share, etc.. 
>>> second thing is network burps, because that can make it fail to 
>>> update/delete the lock files.. paradox goes on its' merry way, til the 
>>> failed update/delete causes a lock conflict with a ghost user..
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
>>>
>>> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>>>
>>> Oasis Trading Post
>>> - Collectibles and Memorabilia
>>> - Vintage and Custom Lego Creations
>>>
>>> Diamond Software Group
>>> - Paradox Sales and Support
>>>
>>> Diamond Sports Gems
>>> - Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
>>> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
>>> news:4a6f1cf8$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>>> Ok - I've solved my riddle of getting pdoxusrs.net re-located and we 
>>>> don't have any issues with multiple net dirs any more.  The new problem 
>>>> is that LCK files don't seem to always go away, or are getting 
>>>> corrupted somehow.
>>>>
>>>> I have pure desktop Pdox users (5.0) and I have web applications using 
>>>> Cold Fusion and ODBC to make inquiries and updates against some pdox 
>>>> tables.  Up until a month or so ago before some needed server 
>>>> migrations started all our issues we had no problem sharing data in 
>>>> this way.  Now it seems that the LCK files are the problem.  Several 
>>>> times a day either a desktip pdox user or my web appls. get locked up 
>>>> trying to access one of several folders. When I diagnose which one it 
>>>> is and look to see who's in there, I usually see either nobody or 
>>>> someone who has been idle for awhile.  If I manually delete the LCK 
>>>> file on the server in that folder, the probleml goes away.
>>>>
>>>> From my reading of the Lockwise literature of Al's it says that LCK 
>>>> files either get re-used or the y get deleted when the last user exits. 
>>>> Has anyone else come across this problem?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 


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"Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
news:4a6f2f54$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> discounting the burps, because that hasn't been a problem all along. 
> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?  What s/b settting 
> and where is this done - in the registry? on the clients? on the data 
> servers?

Jim,

A 'Burp' might actually be intentional - you hint at a possibility right 
here:

"When I diagnose which one it is and look to see who's in there, I usually
see either nobody or someone who has been idle for awhile. "

What you are describing is a machine going idle, I would take a look at the 
network card power management settings and make sure that the card is never 
allowed to disconnect. My guess is that it is the workstation(s) that have 
just been replaced.

Leslie.


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Well since I'm the guy who would organize the ws replacement, I know that is 
not the issue. And if we were having nic issues I would hear of it for a lot 
of other reasons than pdox appls.   Thanks tho!
"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
> news:4a6f2f54$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> discounting the burps, because that hasn't been a problem all along. 
>> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?  What s/b settting 
>> and where is this done - in the registry? on the clients? on the data 
>> servers?
>
> Jim,
>
> A 'Burp' might actually be intentional - you hint at a possibility right 
> here:
>
> "When I diagnose which one it is and look to see who's in there, I usually
> see either nobody or someone who has been idle for awhile. "
>
> What you are describing is a machine going idle, I would take a look at 
> the network card power management settings and make sure that the card is 
> never allowed to disconnect. My guess is that it is the workstation(s) 
> that have just been replaced.
>
> Leslie.
>
> 


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> And if we were having nic issues I would hear of it for a lot of other 
> reasons than pdox appls.

not necessarily.. most common "shared" uses really aren't sharing, and 
really aren't causing massive I/O like a database..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
news:4a7067cc$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Well since I'm the guy who would organize the ws replacement, I know that 
> is not the issue. And if we were having nic issues I would hear of it for 
> a lot of other reasons than pdox appls.   Thanks tho!
> "Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
> news:4a705fdb@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>
>> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
>> news:4a6f2f54$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>> discounting the burps, because that hasn't been a problem all along. 
>>> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?  What s/b settting 
>>> and where is this done - in the registry? on the clients? on the data 
>>> servers?
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> A 'Burp' might actually be intentional - you hint at a possibility right 
>> here:
>>
>> "When I diagnose which one it is and look to see who's in there, I 
>> usually
>> see either nobody or someone who has been idle for awhile. "
>>
>> What you are describing is a machine going idle, I would take a look at 
>> the network card power management settings and make sure that the card is 
>> never allowed to disconnect. My guess is that it is the workstation(s) 
>> that have just been replaced.
>>
>> Leslie.
>>
>>
>
> 

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> And I've never paid any attention to these things.  :)

unless somebody else jumps in, I'll have to respond to this later.. I've got 
a meeting to go to..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
news:4a704a7c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> And I've never paid any attention to these things.  :)
>
> so - in paradox if I go to my idapi settings I see that local share is 
> off. That's wrong?
>
> How does one set write caching since I've never done it?
> And where does one begin to look for oplocks - haven't a clue what it 
> applies to.
> "Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in message 
> news:4a6f3eaf$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?
>>
>> and you've been doing this for how many years? (g).. bde local share TRUE 
>> everywhere.. write caching off on the drives everywhere, especially the 
>> shared drives.. (usually has to be done manually, thru the drive 
>> properties).. oplocks off in the registry everywhere.. (the actual line 
>> item syntax varies, from windows version to windows version)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
>>
>> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>>
>> Oasis Trading Post
>> - Collectibles and Memorabilia
>> - Vintage and Custom Lego Creations
>>
>> Diamond Software Group
>> - Paradox Sales and Support
>>
>> Diamond Sports Gems
>> - Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
>>
>> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
>> news:4a6f2f54$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>> discounting the burps, because that hasn't been a problem all along. 
>>> What's the stuff about oplocks, caching, local share?  What s/b settting 
>>> and where is this done - in the registry? on the clients? on the data 
>>> servers?
>>> "Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:4a6f212c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>>>> it says that LCK files either get re-used or they get deleted when the 
>>>>> last user exits.
>>>>
>>>> correct.. that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.. but now, it's not (g).. 
>>>> first thing to always check is oplocks, caching, local share, etc.. 
>>>> second thing is network burps, because that can make it fail to 
>>>> update/delete the lock files.. paradox goes on its' merry way, til the 
>>>> failed update/delete causes a lock conflict with a ghost user..
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
>>>>
>>>> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>>>>
>>>> Oasis Trading Post
>>>> - Collectibles and Memorabilia
>>>> - Vintage and Custom Lego Creations
>>>>
>>>> Diamond Software Group
>>>> - Paradox Sales and Support
>>>>
>>>> Diamond Sports Gems
>>>> - Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
>>>> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
>>>> news:4a6f1cf8$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>>>> Ok - I've solved my riddle of getting pdoxusrs.net re-located and we 
>>>>> don't have any issues with multiple net dirs any more.  The new 
>>>>> problem is that LCK files don't seem to always go away, or are getting 
>>>>> corrupted somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have pure desktop Pdox users (5.0) and I have web applications using 
>>>>> Cold Fusion and ODBC to make inquiries and updates against some pdox 
>>>>> tables.  Up until a month or so ago before some needed server 
>>>>> migrations started all our issues we had no problem sharing data in 
>>>>> this way.  Now it seems that the LCK files are the problem.  Several 
>>>>> times a day either a desktip pdox user or my web appls. get locked up 
>>>>> trying to access one of several folders. When I diagnose which one it 
>>>>> is and look to see who's in there, I usually see either nobody or 
>>>>> someone who has been idle for awhile.  If I manually delete the LCK 
>>>>> file on the server in that folder, the probleml goes away.
>>>>>
>>>>> From my reading of the Lockwise literature of Al's it says that LCK 
>>>>> files either get re-used or the y get deleted when the last user 
>>>>> exits. Has anyone else come across this problem?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> 

From - Wed Jul 29 17:37:14 2009
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Jim,

Here are the settings you should have in a multi-user Paradox app:

http://thedbcommunity.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=402&Itemid=44

2. Oplocks:
   A. NT:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q129202
     i. UseOpportunisticLocking should be 0
     ii. EnableOplocks should be 0
     iii. The rest don't matter
   B. Win2K/XP/and all current versions, as far as I can tell:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q296264
     i. OplocksDisabled should be 1
     ii. EnableOplocks should be 0
     iii. The rest don't matter
   C. Win9x: Control Panel, System applet, Performance tab, File System
button, Troubleshooting tab, CHECK the boxes labeled:
     i. "Disable new file sharing and locking semantics."
     ii. "Disable write-behind caching for all drives."
     iii. On the Hard Disk tab, you may wish to try setting Read-ahead
optimization to None, but I think that should only make a difference
on the server machine.

3. n/a

4. LOCALSHARE (BDE, Configuration tab, Configuration > System > INIT)
must be set to TRUE for all users.

5. Disk caching on Win2K (presumably XP, but I can't check that):
Properties for the drive, Hardware tab, select the disk of interest,
click the Properties button, on the Disk Properties tab, UNcheck the
"Write cache enabled" box if it'll let you.

6. Make sure the machine serving the .DB files isn't being used as a
workstation.

Liz
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thanks, Liz.. I just checked back on this..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Liz McGuire" <liz@paradoxcommunity.com> wrote in message 
news:4a70dd10$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Jim,
>
> Here are the settings you should have in a multi-user Paradox app:
>
> http://thedbcommunity.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=402&Itemid=44
>
> 2. Oplocks:
>   A. NT:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q129202
>     i. UseOpportunisticLocking should be 0
>     ii. EnableOplocks should be 0
>     iii. The rest don't matter
>   B. Win2K/XP/and all current versions, as far as I can tell:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q296264
>     i. OplocksDisabled should be 1
>     ii. EnableOplocks should be 0
>     iii. The rest don't matter
>   C. Win9x: Control Panel, System applet, Performance tab, File System
> button, Troubleshooting tab, CHECK the boxes labeled:
>     i. "Disable new file sharing and locking semantics."
>     ii. "Disable write-behind caching for all drives."
>     iii. On the Hard Disk tab, you may wish to try setting Read-ahead
> optimization to None, but I think that should only make a difference
> on the server machine.
>
> 3. n/a
>
> 4. LOCALSHARE (BDE, Configuration tab, Configuration > System > INIT)
> must be set to TRUE for all users.
>
> 5. Disk caching on Win2K (presumably XP, but I can't check that):
> Properties for the drive, Hardware tab, select the disk of interest,
> click the Properties button, on the Disk Properties tab, UNcheck the
> "Write cache enabled" box if it'll let you.
>
> 6. Make sure the machine serving the .DB files isn't being used as a
> workstation.
>
> Liz 

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"Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
news:4a7067cc$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Well since I'm the guy who would organize the ws replacement, I know that 
> is not the issue. And if we were having nic issues I would hear of it for 
> a lot of other reasons than pdox appls.   Thanks tho!

Jim,

To simply disregard this without checking is foolish !! You ask for advice 
from others who may have experienced something similar - * I have* and the 
problem was with the power management on the network card on *ONE* 
workstation. I chased this up based upon sound advice from others here.

Some background: What I describe is not an 'NIC issue' -  it is INTENTIONAL. 
Most other applications will simply re-awake the network card and continue 
working, the BDE does not. The sad fact is you are probably ONLY going to 
hear about it from Paradox/BDE applications !!!

At the very least check it out, it cannot hurt can it ??
Leslie.


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I forgot.  Do NOT allow the NIC or HDD to go into power save mode.

Liz
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point taken.  I'll have my pc person do some checking on a couple of my more 
problematic machines/users.
"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
news:4a70e52a@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> "Jim Giner" <jim.giner@suny.edu> wrote in message 
> news:4a7067cc$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> Well since I'm the guy who would organize the ws replacement, I know that 
>> is not the issue. And if we were having nic issues I would hear of it for 
>> a lot of other reasons than pdox appls.   Thanks tho!
>
> Jim,
>
> To simply disregard this without checking is foolish !! You ask for advice 
> from others who may have experienced something similar - * I have* and the 
> problem was with the power management on the network card on *ONE* 
> workstation. I chased this up based upon sound advice from others here.
>
> Some background: What I describe is not an 'NIC issue' -  it is 
> INTENTIONAL. Most other applications will simply re-awake the network card 
> and continue working, the BDE does not. The sad fact is you are probably 
> ONLY going to hear about it from Paradox/BDE applications !!!
>
> At the very least check it out, it cannot hurt can it ??
> Leslie.
>
> 


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Thanks Liz!!
"Liz McGuire" <liz@paradoxcommunity.com> wrote in message 
news:4a70dd10$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Jim,
>
> Here are the settings you should have in a multi-user Paradox app:
>
> http://thedbcommunity.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=402&Itemid=44
>
> 2. Oplocks:
>   A. NT:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q129202
>     i. UseOpportunisticLocking should be 0
>     ii. EnableOplocks should be 0
>     iii. The rest don't matter
>   B. Win2K/XP/and all current versions, as far as I can tell:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q296264
>     i. OplocksDisabled should be 1
>     ii. EnableOplocks should be 0
>     iii. The rest don't matter
>   C. Win9x: Control Panel, System applet, Performance tab, File System
> button, Troubleshooting tab, CHECK the boxes labeled:
>     i. "Disable new file sharing and locking semantics."
>     ii. "Disable write-behind caching for all drives."
>     iii. On the Hard Disk tab, you may wish to try setting Read-ahead
> optimization to None, but I think that should only make a difference
> on the server machine.
>
> 3. n/a
>
> 4. LOCALSHARE (BDE, Configuration tab, Configuration > System > INIT)
> must be set to TRUE for all users.
>
> 5. Disk caching on Win2K (presumably XP, but I can't check that):
> Properties for the drive, Hardware tab, select the disk of interest,
> click the Properties button, on the Disk Properties tab, UNcheck the
> "Write cache enabled" box if it'll let you.
>
> 6. Make sure the machine serving the .DB files isn't being used as a
> workstation.
>
> Liz 


From - Tue Oct 06 18:37:09 2009
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Hi all,

Just to let you know that I have finally made the BDE installer available on 
my website
Here's the link:

http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html

This has now been tested at over 50 diverse sites and has installed without 
any issues on the 32 Bit versions of both Windows Vista and Windows 7 RC. 
This has not been tested on a 64Bit version of Windows as I do not have 
access to one.



From - Tue Dec 01 16:38:39 2009
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Found this information on
http://www.goldenstag.net/dbase/#Source

"The BDE in all releases earlier than 5.2.0.2 (the version that ships with 
dBASE Plus 2.5 and later) and later releases one assumes, has an error that 
can occur if you or your users have free disk space on the hard drive that 
is an exact increment of 4 gigabytes (i.e., 4, 8, 12, 16 ...). The file 
BDE4GigFix.zip includes the .DLL file that solves this issue (it's a "patch" 
for the BDE), and also a small program that will load it. Details are in the 
file "BDEFix.prg" contained in the .zip file. Note that if you have dBASE 
Plus 2.5 or later, this should not be an issue, and you do not need this 
file."

I don't know how accurate it is but may be of use to some if questions about 
this error shows up again. 


From - Tue Dec 01 16:38:40 2009
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Thanks Rick...  I'm not sure if you're aware of it or not... but our good 
friend Rick Kelly has resolved this issue for us years ago with a similar 
angle (a new DLL and installation routine).

It's always good to know that thanks to the genius of some of our PDOX 
community members, we here in the Paradox world are still years ahead of the 
dBase world.

:))



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Rick,

After writing the prev post, I decided to find Rick Kelly's BDE Fix so I 
could direct you to it... however... it doesn't appear to be available 
anywhere.  I looked here on PNEWS,  Rick Kelly's Web site... and also on 
Larry's Paradox Community site...
:(

Does anyone else know where it might be found?



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I found it....

In this same news-group, the Original post is titled "4GB Limitation Fix" 
Witten by Rob Taylor on 12/09/08....  Follow the posted thread.

In addition.... not only did I find the link to the fix... but also that it 
was you who directed Rob to its location and you were among those who 
participated in testing Rick Kelly's fix during its development.   Soooooo, 
I guess you were very well aware of it.

:)

Sorry to have jumped in.



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    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney


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Just one more thing....  this is directed to Larry DiGiovanni...

Larry,
This file was (I believe) created by Rick Kelly....  You have it showing as 
"File Author:    Rick Rans"

Here is the link:
http://www.thedbcommunity.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=63&func=fileinfo&filecatid=96&parent=category




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    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney





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Rodney

If you look at the included comment, you will see that I put the Zip and 
instructions together. It notes that "This archive contains the patch 
BDEKer32.dll by Rick Kelly, Michael Kennedy's utility for backing up and 
patching the BDE, a test utility by Rodney Wise, and documentation by Rick 
Rans"

The post I put here is because the problem appears to have been fixed in the 
BDE Version 5.2.0.2.

That is the version I am running and it has a date of 2008-08-24 for 
IDAPI32.dll, so maybe the problem has been fixed in the last version of the 
BDE to ship and no fix is required. It may also be the reason you don't hear 
much about the 4 GIG problem any more.

"Rodney Wise" <NoSpamPlease-rodneywise@att.net> wrote in message 
news:4b157f32@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Just one more thing....  this is directed to Larry DiGiovanni...
>
> Larry,
> This file was (I believe) created by Rick Kelly....  You have it showing 
> as "File Author:    Rick Rans"
>
> Here is the link:
> http://www.thedbcommunity.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=63&func=fileinfo&filecatid=96&parent=category
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> ...
>    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney
>
>
>
>
> 

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"Rick Rans"  wrote:

> If you look at the included comment, you will see that I put the Zip and 
> instructions together. It notes that "This archive
> contains the patch BDEKer32.dll by Rick Kelly, Michael Kennedy's utility 
> for backing up and patching the BDE, a test utility by Rodney Wise, and 
> documentation by Rick Rans"
>
=================

Thanks for clearing that up for me.



> The post I put here is because the problem appears to have been fixed in 
> the BDE Version 5.2.0.2.
>
> That is the version I am running and it has a date of 2008-08-24 for 
> IDAPI32.dll, so maybe the problem has been fixed in the last
> version of the BDE to ship and no fix is required. It may also be the 
> reason you don't hear much about the 4 GIG problem any more.
>
========================

That's interesting because I too am using IDAPI32.DLL  Version 5.2.0.2... 
However, it is dated 9/23/2004   7:16:46 AM and is 589,312 bytes.

I wonder how your same exact version of this file has a much newer date?


-- 
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    `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·->  rodney


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"Rick Rans" <rick.rans@canada.com> wrote in message 
news:4b15b2ac$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> The post I put here is because the problem appears to have been fixed in 
> the BDE Version 5.2.0.2.
>

That is incorrect. That version of the BDE suffers from the 4GB disk space 
error. 


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AFAIK.. *all* versions of the DOS Engine and the BDE have this.. you don't 
see it anymore because Windows and modern drives report their data 
differently, to compensate..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards

"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
news:4b15c834@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> "Rick Rans" <rick.rans@canada.com> wrote in message 
> news:4b15b2ac$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>
>> The post I put here is because the problem appears to have been fixed in 
>> the BDE Version 5.2.0.2.
>>
>
> That is incorrect. That version of the BDE suffers from the 4GB disk space 
> error.
> 

From - Fri Dec 04 17:51:16 2009
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Subject: BDE for Paradox 10
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> "TC" <cooleyt@woh.rr.com> asked
> news:3f535170@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...

> > What version of the BDE should run with Paradox 7 on xp?

"Anders Jonsson" <911rs@swipnet.se> wrote in message
news:3f5389be$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
> Assuming 32-bit P7.
>
> I would recommend BDE 4.51 - seems very stable and I think you still can
> download that from Borland site. You could also use the latest version but
> might have performance problems with some table languages (like the
Swedish
> ones).
>
> The BDE that shiped originally with P7 have some problem with FAT32 and
long
> filenames (not sure about the combination of NTFS and long file name). I
> guess it is most likely that an XP user have NTFS but could also be FAT32
so
> you need to upgrade.

How about Paradox 10?   This was shipped with BDE 5.1 on
disk.  I also have BDE 5.2 (which I pasted over old Paradox 7).
My uses are very simple and I prefer Paradox 10 because it
runs on WinXP (which Par7 did not) and is much faster than
7 on Win98.

-- 
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)



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the last BDE was 5.2.0.2.. for all intents and purposes, there is very 
little difference between any of the later versions, for 99% of the users..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:4b198bed@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> "TC" <cooleyt@woh.rr.com> asked
>> news:3f535170@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
>
>> > What version of the BDE should run with Paradox 7 on xp?
>
> "Anders Jonsson" <911rs@swipnet.se> wrote in message
> news:3f5389be$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
>> Assuming 32-bit P7.
>>
>> I would recommend BDE 4.51 - seems very stable and I think you still can
>> download that from Borland site. You could also use the latest version 
>> but
>> might have performance problems with some table languages (like the
> Swedish
>> ones).
>>
>> The BDE that shiped originally with P7 have some problem with FAT32 and
> long
>> filenames (not sure about the combination of NTFS and long file name). I
>> guess it is most likely that an XP user have NTFS but could also be FAT32
> so
>> you need to upgrade.
>
> How about Paradox 10?   This was shipped with BDE 5.1 on
> disk.  I also have BDE 5.2 (which I pasted over old Paradox 7).
> My uses are very simple and I prefer Paradox 10 because it
> runs on WinXP (which Par7 did not) and is much faster than
> 7 on Win98.
>
> -- 
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>
>
> 

From - Sat Dec 05 08:47:15 2009
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Don

If you are using English, then the latest 5.2 or any of the versions should 
work. Most of the problems with different versions of the BDE have been 
language related. I have never had a problem using a later version of the 
BDE in English versions of Paradox.

Just my two cents - Rick

"Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:4b198bed@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> "TC" <cooleyt@woh.rr.com> asked
>> news:3f535170@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
>
>> > What version of the BDE should run with Paradox 7 on xp?
>
> "Anders Jonsson" <911rs@swipnet.se> wrote in message
> news:3f5389be$1@jedstarmail.psfloan.com...
>> Assuming 32-bit P7.
>>
>> I would recommend BDE 4.51 - seems very stable and I think you still can
>> download that from Borland site. You could also use the latest version 
>> but
>> might have performance problems with some table languages (like the
> Swedish
>> ones).
>>
>> The BDE that shiped originally with P7 have some problem with FAT32 and
> long
>> filenames (not sure about the combination of NTFS and long file name). I
>> guess it is most likely that an XP user have NTFS but could also be FAT32
> so
>> you need to upgrade.
>
> How about Paradox 10?   This was shipped with BDE 5.1 on
> disk.  I also have BDE 5.2 (which I pasted over old Paradox 7).
> My uses are very simple and I prefer Paradox 10 because it
> runs on WinXP (which Par7 did not) and is much faster than
> 7 on Win98.
>
> -- 
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>
>
> 

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> How about Paradox 10?   This was shipped with BDE 5.1 on
> disk.  I also have BDE 5.2 (which I pasted over old Paradox 7).
> My uses are very simple and I prefer Paradox 10 because it
> runs on WinXP (which Par7 did not) and is much faster than
> 7 on Win98.


Paradox 7 should run on Win XP.

I would be surprised if P10 was faster than P7 on Win98, but I haven't used 
Win98 in many years and probably never with P10 so I'm just guessing.

If you use P10 you can use the BDE that came with the install.

And as the others have said, you can always use the latest BDE if you 
prefer.



Anders




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> I would be surprised if P10 was faster than P7 on Win98

overall, the various versions have the same table formats, and most of the 
same paradox and bde code, so performance changes due to different versions 
are highly unlikely.. much more likely due to your own changes, packed 
tables or indexes, hard drives and cables, etc..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Oasis Trading Post
- Collectibles and Memorabilia
- Vintage and Custom Lego Creations

Diamond Software Group
- Paradox Sales and Support

Diamond Sports Gems
- Sports Memorabilia and Trading Cards
"Anders" <anders@jREMOVEjonssondata.se> wrote in message 
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>
>> How about Paradox 10?   This was shipped with BDE 5.1 on
>> disk.  I also have BDE 5.2 (which I pasted over old Paradox 7).
>> My uses are very simple and I prefer Paradox 10 because it
>> runs on WinXP (which Par7 did not) and is much faster than
>> 7 on Win98.
>
>
> Paradox 7 should run on Win XP.
>
> I would be surprised if P10 was faster than P7 on Win98, but I haven't 
> used Win98 in many years and probably never with P10 so I'm just guessing.
>
> If you use P10 you can use the BDE that came with the install.
>
> And as the others have said, you can always use the latest BDE if you 
> prefer.
>
>
>
> Anders
>
>
>
> 

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"Anders" <anders@jREMOVEjonssondata.se> wrote in message 
news:4b1cc87b$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
>> How about Paradox 10?   This was shipped with BDE 5.1 on
>> disk.  I also have BDE 5.2 (which I pasted over old Paradox 7).
>> My uses are very simple and I prefer Paradox 10 because it
>> runs on WinXP (which Par7 did not) and is much faster than
>> 7 on Win98.
>  Paradox 7 should run on Win XP.
>
> I would be surprised if P10 was faster than P7 on Win98, but I haven't 
> used Win98 in many years and probably never with P10 so I'm just guessing.

1.  Paradox 7 never ran reliably under WinXP, whatever the compatibility
setting.  Par 7 installation under WinXP with BDE.v.5.2 replicated its
installation (2005) on my Win98SE PC.

2.  To date Paradox 10 appears faster than Par 7 under both Win98 (at
2.8 GHz) and WinXP (1.5 GHz:  yes, I know this seems the wrong way
round, but cannot bother to reinstal unless snowed-in and idle . . . )

> If you use P10 you can use the BDE that came with the install.
> And as the others have said, you can always use the latest BDE if you 
> prefer.

Noted with thanks:  to date BDE 5.1 from Paradox instal disk seeks fine
on both OSs.

-- 
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada) 


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It's my understanding that 5.2.0.2 is the latest. Where can I find a copy 
to download, from a reliable source that's not a trojan? I see download 
links at Borland but they take me to a passworded FTP site.

http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeupdate.html
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This topic, see Leslie Milburn's post of 10/5/09.





"Kenneth Porter" <shiva.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns9D287BD7EDC79shivasewingwitchcom@209.203.225.138...
> It's my understanding that 5.2.0.2 is the latest. Where can I find a copy
> to download, from a reliable source that's not a trojan? I see download
> links at Borland but they take me to a passworded FTP site.
>
> http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeupdate.html 


From - Sat Feb 27 09:58:18 2010
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"Leslie Milburn" wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just to let you know that I have finally made the BDE installer available
> on my website
> Here's the link:
>
> http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html
>
> This has now been tested at over 50 diverse sites and has installed
> without any issues on the 32 Bit versions of both Windows Vista and
> Windows 7 RC. This has not been tested on a 64Bit version of Windows as I
> do not have access to one.
>

Hi all,

I can now confirm this BDE installation works on Windows 7 RTM both 32 Bit
and 64 Bit. It has now been tested at 80+ sites with no issues.
The readme file is slightly out of date at the time of this post, but I will
be updating it shortly.

If you do not have access to an installation package, then you can use
WinRAR to create a single executable which auto-executes (an almost silent
install as described in the readme file). I have done exactly this for an
older version of one of my products, so if you want to try it out then
here's the link: http://www.all2ezy.com/download/bde/Borland Database Engine
(CPro6).exe

I think this will be the last time I will be looking at this for quite some
time.
Leslie.




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"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
news:4b88d597@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> "Leslie Milburn" wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just to let you know that I have finally made the BDE installer available
>> on my website
>> Here's the link:
>>
>> http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html
>>
>> This has now been tested at over 50 diverse sites and has installed
>> without any issues on the 32 Bit versions of both Windows Vista and
>> Windows 7 RC. This has not been tested on a 64Bit version of Windows as I
>> do not have access to one.
>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I can now confirm this BDE installation works on Windows 7 RTM both 32 Bit
> and 64 Bit. It has now been tested at 80+ sites with no issues.
> The readme file is slightly out of date at the time of this post, but I 
> will
> be updating it shortly.
>
> If you do not have access to an installation package, then you can use
> WinRAR to create a single executable which auto-executes (an almost silent
> install as described in the readme file). I have done exactly this for an
> older version of one of my products, so if you want to try it out then
> here's the link: http://www.all2ezy.com/download/bde/Borland Database 
> Engine
> (CPro6).exe

Opps, the link broke
http://www.all2ezy.com/download/bde/Borland%20Database%20Engine%20(CPro6).exe 


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I could have told you that 2 months ago ... :-)

On 27/02/2010 7:19 PM, Leslie Milburn wrote:
>
> I can now confirm this BDE installation works on Windows 7

-- 
Tom Krieg

---------------
http://www.krieg.com.au
Please use the contact page to contact me via email
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"Tom Krieg" <"Please use the website contact form"> wrote in message 
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>I could have told you that 2 months ago ... :-)

Its one thing to be told, its another to know :-)


From - Mon Dec 13 16:33:47 2010
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Hello,

I am not sure there still activity there, but I try...

I have some old softwares working with BDE.
On Windows 7, the 1st software (A) using BDE start correctly all the time.
The second one (B) is started from A and is using BDE on same database.
Sometimes, but not always, software B makes a BDE error 2501 or 210D.
I need to restart computer, sometimes a few times, before it working 
without error. The next computer start could leave to this error again.
Or it can takes a few starts...

- Changing SharedMemLocation does not have better effect
- Changing SharedMemSize neither.
- I tried a lot of different configurations, changing also Memsize, 
MaxFileHandles... nothing really helps.
Sometime I can have 7, 8 Windows starts and everything works, sometimes, 
with same configuration, it does not works, and I need 2, 3 or more 
starts for that to work again...

Tests were made on Windows 7 32bits, as well as 64bits,
with adminitrator rights or without, UAC enabled or disabled.
This error comes back randomly.

On Windows XP, there is no problem with the same softwares A and B.

As fas as I know, the BDE is installed corretly for Windows 7, with a 
NetDir in a folder with full permissions (c:\BDE), with BDE config in a 
folder with full permissions, Local Share is true.

I also tried the BDE installer from there 
http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html : same problem.


If somebody knows how to get rid of this problem...

Regards,

M.E.L.

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Mike Prestwood has a download link on the Prestwood boards: http://www.prestwood.com/aspsuite/kb/document_view.asp?qid=101043

"Ed Covney" <ed(dot)covney(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>This topic, see Leslie Milburn's post of 10/5/09.
>
>
>
>
>
>"Kenneth Porter" <shiva.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote in message 
>news:Xns9D287BD7EDC79shivasewingwitchcom@209.203.225.138...
>> It's my understanding that 5.2.0.2 is the latest. Where can I find a copy
>> to download, from a reliable source that's not a trojan? I see download
>> links at Borland but they take me to a passworded FTP site.
>>
>> http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeupdate.html 
>
>


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Hi all,
I have used Paradox for many years.  I was looking at a problem and needed 
to see what BDE I was at. I thought we were using BDE 5.2 but we arent, we 
are still at 5.0.1.22 with Paradox 9 SP3 on WinXP.  I thought I had updated 
it a few years ago and was relooking at some code to read the BDE infomation 
and realized we are not at the higher BDE.

Question:
Should I be at BDE 5.2?

If so, Must all PCs (we have 40 users) that access the same Pdox data be at 
BDE 5.2 at the same time? meaning can I upgrade 1 at a time or must all be 
at the same BDE level before accessing the database?  We all use the same 
Config file.

I have several copies of BDE 5.2 downloaded. one is Leslie Milburn's Bde 
installer. Is that good to use?  It has been so long since I installed the 
BDE, I am uncertain how to do the install.  that is why I wondered whether I 
can install on 1 machine to test with before propagating to the others.  I 
also have BDE Information Utility which has a checkmark to 'install BDE 
5.2'.

What does BDE 5.2 fix that is needed since 5.0.1.22?

thanks for any help,
Sue



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I don't think all PCs need to be on the same BDE version.

I use P10 and BDE 5.1.1.1 and never bother to upgrade the BDE.

There are certainly bugs and fixes in BDE-versions but I don't recall that 
there has been any real issues in later versions that really forces you to 
upgrade. I could be wrong here so hopefully others will comment as well.

What problems are you seeing?

Anders



"SueR"  skrev i meddelandet news:50b810d5$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...

Hi all,
I have used Paradox for many years.  I was looking at a problem and needed
to see what BDE I was at. I thought we were using BDE 5.2 but we arent, we
are still at 5.0.1.22 with Paradox 9 SP3 on WinXP.  I thought I had updated
it a few years ago and was relooking at some code to read the BDE infomation
and realized we are not at the higher BDE.

Question:
Should I be at BDE 5.2?

If so, Must all PCs (we have 40 users) that access the same Pdox data be at
BDE 5.2 at the same time? meaning can I upgrade 1 at a time or must all be
at the same BDE level before accessing the database?  We all use the same
Config file.

I have several copies of BDE 5.2 downloaded. one is Leslie Milburn's Bde
installer. Is that good to use?  It has been so long since I installed the
BDE, I am uncertain how to do the install.  that is why I wondered whether I
can install on 1 machine to test with before propagating to the others.  I
also have BDE Information Utility which has a checkmark to 'install BDE
5.2'.

What does BDE 5.2 fix that is needed since 5.0.1.22?

thanks for any help,
Sue


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if it ain't broke, don't fix it..

--

Steven Green - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
http://www.facebook.com/OasisTradingPost

Oasis Trading Post
- Vintage Lego Sets and Supplies
- Collectibles and Memorabilia

"SueR" <sreighard@pobox.com> wrote in message 
news:50b810d5$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> Hi all,
> I have used Paradox for many years.  I was looking at a problem and needed 
> to see what BDE I was at. I thought we were using BDE 5.2 but we arent, we 
> are still at 5.0.1.22 with Paradox 9 SP3 on WinXP.  I thought I had 
> updated it a few years ago and was relooking at some code to read the BDE 
> infomation and realized we are not at the higher BDE.
>
> Question:
> Should I be at BDE 5.2?
>
> If so, Must all PCs (we have 40 users) that access the same Pdox data be 
> at BDE 5.2 at the same time? meaning can I upgrade 1 at a time or must all 
> be at the same BDE level before accessing the database?  We all use the 
> same Config file.
>
> I have several copies of BDE 5.2 downloaded. one is Leslie Milburn's Bde 
> installer. Is that good to use?  It has been so long since I installed the 
> BDE, I am uncertain how to do the install.  that is why I wondered whether 
> I can install on 1 machine to test with before propagating to the others. 
> I also have BDE Information Utility which has a checkmark to 'install BDE 
> 5.2'.
>
> What does BDE 5.2 fix that is needed since 5.0.1.22?
>
> thanks for any help,
> Sue
>
>
> 

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This installer is my best gift this year !
Many years I needed a tool to install a specific BDE (Formats\Date\MODE=1 ) 
for my application and country, and now I get this !
Unfortunately my second wish is still a dream, because I can not set :
THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.
Any other modification that I do, works, this one not !

In Installer was a little error, the word
THOUSANDSEPARATOR was THOUSANDSSEPARATOR
but this correction was not enough.
Anyway thank you very much !

Dumitrescu Silvian

"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
> news:4b88d597@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> "Leslie Milburn" wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just to let you know that I have finally made the BDE installer 
>>> available
>>> on my website
>>> Here's the link:
>>>
>>> http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html
>>>
>>> This has now been tested at over 50 diverse sites and has installed
>>> without any issues on the 32 Bit versions of both Windows Vista and
>>> Windows 7 RC. This has not been tested on a 64Bit version of Windows as 
>>> I
>>> do not have access to one.
>>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I can now confirm this BDE installation works on Windows 7 RTM both 32 
>> Bit
>> and 64 Bit. It has now been tested at 80+ sites with no issues.
>> The readme file is slightly out of date at the time of this post, but I 
>> will
>> be updating it shortly.
>>
>> If you do not have access to an installation package, then you can use
>> WinRAR to create a single executable which auto-executes (an almost 
>> silent
>> install as described in the readme file). I have done exactly this for an
>> older version of one of my products, so if you want to try it out then
>> here's the link: http://www.all2ezy.com/download/bde/Borland Database 
>> Engine
>> (CPro6).exe
>
> Opps, the link broke
> http://www.all2ezy.com/download/bde/Borland%20Database%20Engine%20(CPro6).exe
> 
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> Many years I needed a tool to install a specific BDE 
> (Formats\Date\MODE=1 ) for my application and country, and now I get this 
> !
> Unfortunately my second wish is still a dream, because I can not set :
> THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.

I prefer to use a custom config-file and use the "-o" switch on the command 
line that starts my app to point to the custom config-fle. In this way I can 
be sure the settings are correct, and would I need to make any changes in 
the future, it's much easier to do than to modify the BDE.

Anders 

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The problem is not in using/configuring BDE on my computer, is to install 
this with a specific configuration on the CUSTUMERS COMPUTERS !
I used  Leslie Milburn instaler in Inno Instaler.
I tested all parameters of [\SYSTEM\FORMATS\NUMBER] section,  :
I set
DECIMALDIGITS=1
DECIMALSEPARATOR=,
LEADINGZERON=TRUE
THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.

and ALL changes works, except the last : THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.

What to do ?

Dumitrescu S.

"Anders Jonsson" <anders.jonssonREMOVE@THISorrspelet.se> wrote in message 
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>> Many years I needed a tool to install a specific BDE 
>> (Formats\Date\MODE=1 ) for my application and country, and now I get this 
>> !
>> Unfortunately my second wish is still a dream, because I can not set :
>> THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.
>
> I prefer to use a custom config-file and use the "-o" switch on the 
> command line that starts my app to point to the custom config-fle. In this 
> way I can be sure the settings are correct, and would I need to make any 
> changes in the future, it's much easier to do than to modify the BDE.
>
> Anders 

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I understand what you say but my point is that instead of using a custom 
install for the BDE, you "only" need to make sure that the user uses the 
right shortcut to start your application. In my case my installation creates 
a shortcut that specifices working directory, private directory, the 
BDE-configuration file and my start up script.

In this way I don't have to worry about the customers BDE settings. Forcing 
"your" BDE-settings in the install could cause a conflict if the user use 
the BDE for other things than your app. Maybe not so likely these days, but 
why take the risk?

I have no clue why Leslies installer doesn't work with your setting for 
thousand separator. I don't use his installer. I always install the BDE that 
come with P10 runtime and never change any BDE-settings on the client side.

With Windows Vista, 7 and 8, I don't rely on the settings I see in the 
BDE-administrator is actually in use.

Using the "-o" switch on the command line has been 100% reliable for me.


Anders



"Dumitrescu Silvian"  skrev i meddelandet 
news:5219de77@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...

The problem is not in using/configuring BDE on my computer, is to install
this with a specific configuration on the CUSTUMERS COMPUTERS !
I used  Leslie Milburn instaler in Inno Instaler.
I tested all parameters of [\SYSTEM\FORMATS\NUMBER] section,  :
I set
DECIMALDIGITS=1
DECIMALSEPARATOR=,
LEADINGZERON=TRUE
THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.

and ALL changes works, except the last : THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.

What to do ?

Dumitrescu S.

"Anders Jonsson" <anders.jonssonREMOVE@THISorrspelet.se> wrote in message
news:5218cc4b@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> Many years I needed a tool to install a specific BDE 
>> (Formats\Date\MODE=1 ) for my application and country, and now I get this 
>> !
>> Unfortunately my second wish is still a dream, because I can not set :
>> THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.
>
> I prefer to use a custom config-file and use the "-o" switch on the 
> command line that starts my app to point to the custom config-fle. In this 
> way I can be sure the settings are correct, and would I need to make any 
> changes in the future, it's much easier to do than to modify the BDE.
>
> Anders 

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You are right about the customers BDE settings...
But I do not know how to configure BDE from a Paradox code and, sorry, I 
don't undestand about what "Using the "-o" switch on the command line"
you talk :  a command line of the application installer(Inno etc.) or a 
Paradox - command line.

Thank you,
Dumitrescu Silvian

"Anders Jonsson" <anders.jonssonREMOVE@THISorrspelet.se> wrote in message 
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> I understand what you say but my point is that instead of using a custom 
> install for the BDE, you "only" need to make sure that the user uses the 
> right shortcut to start your application. In my case my installation 
> creates a shortcut that specifices working directory, private directory, 
> the BDE-configuration file and my start up script.
>
> In this way I don't have to worry about the customers BDE settings. 
> Forcing "your" BDE-settings in the install could cause a conflict if the 
> user use the BDE for other things than your app. Maybe not so likely these 
> days, but why take the risk?
>
> I have no clue why Leslies installer doesn't work with your setting for 
> thousand separator. I don't use his installer. I always install the BDE 
> that come with P10 runtime and never change any BDE-settings on the client 
> side.
>
> With Windows Vista, 7 and 8, I don't rely on the settings I see in the 
> BDE-administrator is actually in use.
>
> Using the "-o" switch on the command line has been 100% reliable for me.
>
>
> Anders
>
>
>
> "Dumitrescu Silvian"  skrev i meddelandet 
> news:5219de77@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> The problem is not in using/configuring BDE on my computer, is to install
> this with a specific configuration on the CUSTUMERS COMPUTERS !
> I used  Leslie Milburn instaler in Inno Instaler.
> I tested all parameters of [\SYSTEM\FORMATS\NUMBER] section,  :
> I set
> DECIMALDIGITS=1
> DECIMALSEPARATOR=,
> LEADINGZERON=TRUE
> THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.
>
> and ALL changes works, except the last : THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.
>
> What to do ?
>
> Dumitrescu S.
>
> "Anders Jonsson" <anders.jonssonREMOVE@THISorrspelet.se> wrote in message
> news:5218cc4b@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>> Many years I needed a tool to install a specific BDE 
>>> (Formats\Date\MODE=1 ) for my application and country, and now I get 
>>> this !
>>> Unfortunately my second wish is still a dream, because I can not set :
>>> THOUSANDSEPARATOR=.
>>
>> I prefer to use a custom config-file and use the "-o" switch on the 
>> command line that starts my app to point to the custom config-fle. In 
>> this way I can be sure the settings are correct, and would I need to make 
>> any changes in the future, it's much easier to do than to modify the BDE.
>>
>> Anders
> 
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"Anders Jonsson" <anders.jonssonREMOVE@THISorrspelet.se> wrote in message
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> I have no clue why Leslies installer doesn't work with your setting for
> thousand separator. I don't use his installer. I always install the BDE
> that come with P10 runtime and never change any BDE-settings on the client
> side.

When I get a minute I will have a look why this particular flag has a
problem, its been a while.

Ok, so I took a look at the code and there is a spelling mistake in there as 
well with the additional 'S' for this particular setting so it never gets 
applied.
I will take a look at making this change on the weekend and upload an 
update. Good spot !!


> With Windows Vista, 7 and 8, I don't rely on the settings I see in the
> BDE-administrator is actually in use.
>
> Using the "-o" switch on the command line has been 100% reliable for me.
>

This approach also has its issues such as causing a "Multiple config
files in use" error when multiple BDE applications are running. My
application runs in an environment where there are quite a few BDE
applications so its a big issue for me.  The -o switch was not a problem for
the 16 bit IDAPI but since it went 32 bit, really it should not be used.

The correct method (and the last documented by borland way back) to change
the BDE settings (where possible) is actually to do them in code at runtime
in a manner that affects the current session only. This means using the BDE
API (and as stated in the past not directly modifying the registry, but lets
not go there again). That way they will only affect your application and the
default cfg file will also not get updated.
Rodney Wise provided OPAL code to do this a long long time ago now.

Leslie.



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 tried the BDE installer without the additional 'S' in the bdesupp.ini file, 
but it isn't enought...
Regarding the Rodney Wise provided OPAL code I lost a lot of time trying 
that code but i received only a lot of errors.
I wroted to Rodney Wise, many years ago, on this problem but I have not 
received any answer.
Sorry, there is someone who have modified the BDE with that code ?

"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
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> "Anders Jonsson" <anders.jonssonREMOVE@THISorrspelet.se> wrote in message
> news:521a46f0$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
>> I have no clue why Leslies installer doesn't work with your setting for
>> thousand separator. I don't use his installer. I always install the BDE
>> that come with P10 runtime and never change any BDE-settings on the 
>> client
>> side.
>
> When I get a minute I will have a look why this particular flag has a
> problem, its been a while.
>
> Ok, so I took a look at the code and there is a spelling mistake in there 
> as well with the additional 'S' for this particular setting so it never 
> gets applied.
> I will take a look at making this change on the weekend and upload an 
> update. Good spot !!
>
>
>> With Windows Vista, 7 and 8, I don't rely on the settings I see in the
>> BDE-administrator is actually in use.
>>
>> Using the "-o" switch on the command line has been 100% reliable for me.
>>
>
> This approach also has its issues such as causing a "Multiple config
> files in use" error when multiple BDE applications are running. My
> application runs in an environment where there are quite a few BDE
> applications so its a big issue for me.  The -o switch was not a problem 
> for
> the 16 bit IDAPI but since it went 32 bit, really it should not be used.
>
> The correct method (and the last documented by borland way back) to change
> the BDE settings (where possible) is actually to do them in code at 
> runtime
> in a manner that affects the current session only. This means using the 
> BDE
> API (and as stated in the past not directly modifying the registry, but 
> lets
> not go there again). That way they will only affect your application and 
> the
> default cfg file will also not get updated.
> Rodney Wise provided OPAL code to do this a long long time ago now.
>
> Leslie.
>
>
> 
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"Dumitrescu Silvian" wrote:

> tried the BDE installer without the additional 'S' in the bdesupp.ini
> file, but it isn't enought...

Correct, The problem is that the BDE requires the setting with a single S
and it is getting supplied with the double S and is rejecting the setting. I
will update it on the weekend.

This is the first bug report in about 3-5 years now. I think because most of
us use the , for that setting it just never got noticed before. Well Done.
Can I assume that all the other settings get set correctly ?


> Regarding the Rodney Wise provided OPAL code I lost a lot of time trying
> that code but i received only a lot of errors.

From memory, I think you really needed to understand how Paradox and the BDE
worked together. But essentially you could get the BDE session handle from
Paradox and then use that to make runtime changes using the BDE API.


> I wroted to Rodney Wise, many years ago, on this problem but I have not
> received any answer.

No, he no longer bothers so much, since a health scare quite a while ago
now, must be nearly 10 years I would say.


> Sorry, there is someone who have modified the BDE with that code ?

I am not sure who else did, I abandoned Paradox long ago and now use the BDE
API directly when working with Paradox databases.

Even though I use my installer to install the BDE (with all the extras that
has to be done manually after the Paradox BDE install), after that point in
time, with the exception of persisting aliases for 3rd party applications
(Crystal Reports), I never actually modify the BDE for settings such as Date
format and so on. I do all of that at runtime each time my application
starts**. And I state again that using an alternative cfg file is going to
cause grief in an environment where there is more than 1 BDE application
running at a time, not all of us are as fortunate as Anders.

** There is one exception to this rule, I do make a runtime check for Local
Share being TRUE or FALSE, give a warning and then modify the cfg so that
persists as well.

I do agree with Anders that Windows 7 & 8 are quite BDE friendly, but
Windows Vista was a nightmare. I remember that the Paradox BDE install does
not work well with limited (non-administrator) accounts, and you had to do
all of these manual changes, permissions etc on the registry, copy over the
4GB patched version of the BDE, add a manifest for the BDE admin and so on.
I found that manual process is just asking for trouble, especially for those
of us who have absolutely no control, nor access to the target machines.
Asking a receptionist to do some of this over the phone is just not gonig to
fly. So I think using an ini file to allow customization is so easy that I
am surprised it was not done before.

What I find really strange, is that I get nothing but thanks from people all
over the world when they use my BDE installer (I am up to over 10000
downloads now), but on these groups with the exception of one or two people
most of the feedback has been borderline hostile. I do not understand why
that is the case, but there you go...... horse to water and all that.

So my recommendation is to listen to any feedback you get here and then make
up your own mind as to your action plan.

I will post to the group when I have updated the installer.
Leslie.



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I tested all settings in [\SYSTEM\FORMATS\NUMBER] and all are working 
(changing the BDE settings) except the named one.
The [\SYSTEM\FORMATS\DATE] MODE=1 is working (making me happy !)
In the [\SYSTEM\INIT] the  MAXBUFSIZE=16384 {IF LOWER} and MINBUFSIZE=8192 
{IF LOWER} instructions are working, modifiing the initial settings
of the Paradox installation.



"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
news:521b45ca@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> "Dumitrescu Silvian" wrote:
>
>> tried the BDE installer without the additional 'S' in the bdesupp.ini
>> file, but it isn't enought...
>
> Correct, The problem is that the BDE requires the setting with a single S
> and it is getting supplied with the double S and is rejecting the setting. 
> I
> will update it on the weekend.
>
> This is the first bug report in about 3-5 years now. I think because most 
> of
> us use the , for that setting it just never got noticed before. Well Done.
> Can I assume that all the other settings get set correctly ?
>
>
>> Regarding the Rodney Wise provided OPAL code I lost a lot of time trying
>> that code but i received only a lot of errors.
>
> From memory, I think you really needed to understand how Paradox and the 
> BDE
> worked together. But essentially you could get the BDE session handle from
> Paradox and then use that to make runtime changes using the BDE API.
>
>
>> I wroted to Rodney Wise, many years ago, on this problem but I have not
>> received any answer.
>
> No, he no longer bothers so much, since a health scare quite a while ago
> now, must be nearly 10 years I would say.
>
>
>> Sorry, there is someone who have modified the BDE with that code ?
>
> I am not sure who else did, I abandoned Paradox long ago and now use the 
> BDE
> API directly when working with Paradox databases.
>
> Even though I use my installer to install the BDE (with all the extras 
> that
> has to be done manually after the Paradox BDE install), after that point 
> in
> time, with the exception of persisting aliases for 3rd party applications
> (Crystal Reports), I never actually modify the BDE for settings such as 
> Date
> format and so on. I do all of that at runtime each time my application
> starts**. And I state again that using an alternative cfg file is going to
> cause grief in an environment where there is more than 1 BDE application
> running at a time, not all of us are as fortunate as Anders.
>
> ** There is one exception to this rule, I do make a runtime check for 
> Local
> Share being TRUE or FALSE, give a warning and then modify the cfg so that
> persists as well.
>
> I do agree with Anders that Windows 7 & 8 are quite BDE friendly, but
> Windows Vista was a nightmare. I remember that the Paradox BDE install 
> does
> not work well with limited (non-administrator) accounts, and you had to do
> all of these manual changes, permissions etc on the registry, copy over 
> the
> 4GB patched version of the BDE, add a manifest for the BDE admin and so 
> on.
> I found that manual process is just asking for trouble, especially for 
> those
> of us who have absolutely no control, nor access to the target machines.
> Asking a receptionist to do some of this over the phone is just not gonig 
> to
> fly. So I think using an ini file to allow customization is so easy that I
> am surprised it was not done before.
>
> What I find really strange, is that I get nothing but thanks from people 
> all
> over the world when they use my BDE installer (I am up to over 10000
> downloads now), but on these groups with the exception of one or two 
> people
> most of the feedback has been borderline hostile. I do not understand why
> that is the case, but there you go...... horse to water and all that.
>
> So my recommendation is to listen to any feedback you get here and then 
> make
> up your own mind as to your action plan.
>
> I will post to the group when I have updated the installer.
> Leslie.
>
>
> 
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"Dumitrescu Silvian" wrote:
>
>I tested all settings in [\SYSTEM\FORMATS\NUMBER] and all are working 
>(changing the BDE settings) except the named one.

Yes, a silly spelling mistake on my part. At least I can now update the 
readme file
which I have been meaning to do for quite sometime.

> The [\SYSTEM\FORMATS\DATE] MODE=1 is working (making me happy !)
> In the [\SYSTEM\INIT] the  MAXBUFSIZE=16384 {IF LOWER} and MINBUFSIZE=8192 
> {IF LOWER} instructions are working, modifiing the initial settings
> of the Paradox installation.
>

Good.


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>  sorry, I don't undestand about what "Using the "-o" switch on the command 
> line"
> you talk :  a command line of the application installer(Inno etc.) or a 
> Paradox - command line.

I'm talking about the command line that starts your application.

If you search the Paradox help for "Command-line" you will get the full 
listing of the different options.

What I have done is to create a BDE configuration file that includes all the 
settings I need for my application. I then supply that config-file together 
with my application and make sure that the application is started with a 
shortcut that include the -o pointing to my config file.

Here is one example from this computer:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Corel\WordPerfect Office 
2002\Programs\pdxwin32.exe" -c -q -p E:\Databas\PdoxPriv\Test -o 
E:\Databas\CFG\ANSI.CFG -w E:\Databas\App\Test Start.ssl


I agree with Leslie that there is a problem with a custom config-file as 
Paradox will not allow you to run separate session with different config 
files in use. In my case that is not a real problem.

I really don't want to mess with the default settings of the BDE. What if 
the user have another application that uses the BDE? If that application 
expects a certain number format, date format och language driver it could 
cause a lot of problem. What if the user change the BDE settings after the 
install? For me the "-o" seems to be the most reliable way to ensure that my 
settings are in use for my application.

The reason why I never have used Leslies BDE-installer is that I prefer to 
do as little as possible. With "my" approach I can use the default 
installation of the BDE that comes with P10 runtime which is very convenient 
as I don't use a professional installer for my applications (I use a simple 
BAT-file).

We are all working in different environments and I don't claim my method to 
be optimal, but it works for me and it seems like it could work for you as 
well.

Anders

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There are two aspects :

a) BDE client installation via Paradox application install

b) using BDE for Paradox application

a) BDE installation

It is about the BDE that Paradox RunTime installs to the client who uses 
application :

- default BDE, from RunTime installer

- another BDE, after the default BDE, previously, like the Leslie Milburn 
one,

and about the risk of the modifications of an BDE already existing on the 
client computer.

In any of this two cases, already existing BDE risks to be modified !

In my case I make two changes in BDE :

Date format :

Whatever Windows-Regional Settings date format is, at the RunTime-BDE 
installation, the BDE Date format will be :

MODE=0 (MM/dd/yyyy)

and I need :

MODE=1 (dd/MM/yyyy) (day-month-year "This ... sequence is common to the vast 
majority of the world's countries" - 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_date)

Because in my european-country MODE=1 is mandatory, I can suppose that 
others BDE users uses this date format too...

The second setting isn't mandatory :

THOSANDSEPARATOR=.

I need this setting for communication with some models of cash register.

I correct this separator under Paradox-code, but, to be sure about, I prefer 
to modify here too.

This second setting seems not to be "dangerous"..

Conclusion : the two settings looks or commonly or not very important for 
anyone who use DBE, so I can risk to modify this BDE settings at the 
installation of my application, the runtime installation itself modifying 
the initial settings from the client computer !

The Leslie Milburn installation is very good for me !

b) current using of BDE on Paradox application

I launch my application directly from a desktop icon, a shortcut to an 
Paradox form.

But I like the Anders Jonsson point of view too if I'll totaly understand it 
:

It supose to make a second BDE configuration, to save that with a different 
name (can I ?) and call that new configuration on the command line of the 
Paradox first launch.

Must study that !



Thank you both !

Dumitrescu Silvian

"Anders Jonsson" <anders.jonssonREMOVE@THISorrspelet.se> wrote in message 
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>
>>  sorry, I don't undestand about what "Using the "-o" switch on the 
>> command line"
>> you talk :  a command line of the application installer(Inno etc.) or a 
>> Paradox - command line.
>
> I'm talking about the command line that starts your application.
>
> If you search the Paradox help for "Command-line" you will get the full 
> listing of the different options.
>
> What I have done is to create a BDE configuration file that includes all 
> the settings I need for my application. I then supply that config-file 
> together with my application and make sure that the application is started 
> with a shortcut that include the -o pointing to my config file.
>
> Here is one example from this computer:
>
> "C:\Program Files (x86)\Corel\WordPerfect Office 
> 2002\Programs\pdxwin32.exe" -c -q -p E:\Databas\PdoxPriv\Test -o 
> E:\Databas\CFG\ANSI.CFG -w E:\Databas\App\Test Start.ssl
>
>
> I agree with Leslie that there is a problem with a custom config-file as 
> Paradox will not allow you to run separate session with different config 
> files in use. In my case that is not a real problem.
>
> I really don't want to mess with the default settings of the BDE. What if 
> the user have another application that uses the BDE? If that application 
> expects a certain number format, date format och language driver it could 
> cause a lot of problem. What if the user change the BDE settings after the 
> install? For me the "-o" seems to be the most reliable way to ensure that 
> my settings are in use for my application.
>
> The reason why I never have used Leslies BDE-installer is that I prefer to 
> do as little as possible. With "my" approach I can use the default 
> installation of the BDE that comes with P10 runtime which is very 
> convenient as I don't use a professional installer for my applications (I 
> use a simple BAT-file).
>
> We are all working in different environments and I don't claim my method 
> to be optimal, but it works for me and it seems like it could work for you 
> as well.
>
> Anders
> 
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Please excuse me for my insistence, but I can not complete my installer that 
I added BDE installer ..
I check my email box a few times a day .
If the change is not possible (lack of time, etc..), please let me know ...

Have a nice day !

"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
news:521b45ca@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
> "Dumitrescu Silvian" wrote:
>
>> tried the BDE installer without the additional 'S' in the bdesupp.ini
>> file, but it isn't enought...
>
> Correct, The problem is that the BDE requires the setting with a single S
> and it is getting supplied with the double S and is rejecting the setting. 
> I
> will update it on the weekend.
>
> This is the first bug report in about 3-5 years now. I think because most 
> of
> us use the , for that setting it just never got noticed before. Well Done.
> Can I assume that all the other settings get set correctly ?
>
>
>> Regarding the Rodney Wise provided OPAL code I lost a lot of time trying
>> that code but i received only a lot of errors.
>
> From memory, I think you really needed to understand how Paradox and the 
> BDE
> worked together. But essentially you could get the BDE session handle from
> Paradox and then use that to make runtime changes using the BDE API.
>
>
>> I wroted to Rodney Wise, many years ago, on this problem but I have not
>> received any answer.
>
> No, he no longer bothers so much, since a health scare quite a while ago
> now, must be nearly 10 years I would say.
>
>
>> Sorry, there is someone who have modified the BDE with that code ?
>
> I am not sure who else did, I abandoned Paradox long ago and now use the 
> BDE
> API directly when working with Paradox databases.
>
> Even though I use my installer to install the BDE (with all the extras 
> that
> has to be done manually after the Paradox BDE install), after that point 
> in
> time, with the exception of persisting aliases for 3rd party applications
> (Crystal Reports), I never actually modify the BDE for settings such as 
> Date
> format and so on. I do all of that at runtime each time my application
> starts**. And I state again that using an alternative cfg file is going to
> cause grief in an environment where there is more than 1 BDE application
> running at a time, not all of us are as fortunate as Anders.
>
> ** There is one exception to this rule, I do make a runtime check for 
> Local
> Share being TRUE or FALSE, give a warning and then modify the cfg so that
> persists as well.
>
> I do agree with Anders that Windows 7 & 8 are quite BDE friendly, but
> Windows Vista was a nightmare. I remember that the Paradox BDE install 
> does
> not work well with limited (non-administrator) accounts, and you had to do
> all of these manual changes, permissions etc on the registry, copy over 
> the
> 4GB patched version of the BDE, add a manifest for the BDE admin and so 
> on.
> I found that manual process is just asking for trouble, especially for 
> those
> of us who have absolutely no control, nor access to the target machines.
> Asking a receptionist to do some of this over the phone is just not gonig 
> to
> fly. So I think using an ini file to allow customization is so easy that I
> am surprised it was not done before.
>
> What I find really strange, is that I get nothing but thanks from people 
> all
> over the world when they use my BDE installer (I am up to over 10000
> downloads now), but on these groups with the exception of one or two 
> people
> most of the feedback has been borderline hostile. I do not understand why
> that is the case, but there you go...... horse to water and all that.
>
> So my recommendation is to listen to any feedback you get here and then 
> make
> up your own mind as to your action plan.
>
> I will post to the group when I have updated the installer.
> Leslie.
>
>
> 
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"Dumitrescu Silvian" <pronegot@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:52344c97@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> Please excuse me for my insistence, but I can not complete my installer 
> that I added BDE installer ..
> I check my email box a few times a day .
> If the change is not possible (lack of time, etc..), please let me know 
> ...
>
> Have a nice day !

Working on it!!

There is a painful lesson to be learnt in this ever increasing "internet" 
driven world and the changing of hands of tools such as Installshield:

I cannot find my Installshield Express 12 disc which is what I used for the 
BDE installer - I have the earlier discs but they do not support elevation, 
so no good.

So I have spent the last week trying to order either a replacement disc or 
get a download. What a joke this has turned out to be. When I bought it, 
Installshield was owned by Macrovision which was then bought by Acresso and 
who are now named Flexera. The outcome of this is that somewhere in there my 
installshield account has been lost or deleted and so I cannot simply 
download a copy again. Incredible !!

So, on Friday morning I tried to get a trial download of the latest version 
and the lack of trust is amazing. Sure you have to fill out a form, BUT 
before you get the email with the link, it has to be "approved" by someone 
in Flexera. So, being a Friday they all must have gone down the pub because 
I only just got the email today, thats 3 days. That is just a joke on todays 
market. Given that the price of their software is becoming astronomical, if 
this trial version does not measure up then I will be going elsewhere 
becuase this experience has left a sour taste in my mouth.

As to the installer, I spent the week running various tests on WIndows 8 and 
there are no issues. SO, as soon as I get installhield happening again it 
will not take long at all.

Not much consolation I know, but thats life.
Leslie.



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"Leslie Milburn" wrote:

> Given that the price of their software is becoming astronomical,

And its not only the price.

The full download is now 193Mb which is over 3 times the size of Version 12. 
I bet this thing has been written using .NET because I cannot imagine why it 
would bloat out to be so large in only 6 years. This is the Express Version 
which is supposed to be the quick and compact Wizard driven version. I can 
only imagine how large full Installshield must now be.

Long gone are the days when it fitted on 2 floppy discs and yet really it 
does little more than what it did back then. I cry out for some decent 
developers in these software companies, where have they all gone ?

Leslie.



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Does anyone else see 3 copies of each post, in different groups, for
this thread? I suspect the OP cross-posted and linked. That's really
annoying.

Leslie Milburn wrote:
> "Leslie Milburn" wrote:
> 


"tom" +  "krieg" + chr(64) +  "outlook" +  chr(46) + "com"

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Hello Leslie,

Thanks for your kind and detailed story.
There was no case to motivate, I just wanted to know if you forgot ..
I'm really sorry for what happened.
I will use it as it is, thanks!

I wish you success in everything you do.

With thanks for your attention,
Dumitrescu Silvian

"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Leslie Milburn" wrote:
>
>> Given that the price of their software is becoming astronomical,
>
> And its not only the price.
>
> The full download is now 193Mb which is over 3 times the size of Version 
> 12. I bet this thing has been written using .NET because I cannot imagine 
> why it would bloat out to be so large in only 6 years. This is the Express 
> Version which is supposed to be the quick and compact Wizard driven 
> version. I can only imagine how large full Installshield must now be.
>
> Long gone are the days when it fitted on 2 floppy discs and yet really it 
> does little more than what it did back then. I cry out for some decent 
> developers in these software companies, where have they all gone ?
>
> Leslie.
>
>
> 
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On 16/09/2013 2:50 PM, Tom Krieg wrote:
> Does anyone else see 3 copies of each post, in different groups, for
> this thread? I suspect the OP cross-posted and linked. That's really
> annoying.
>
> Leslie Milburn wrote:
>> "Leslie Milburn" wrote:
>>
>
>
> "tom" +  "krieg" + chr(64) +  "outlook" +  chr(46) + "com"
>
I see the 3 copies as well. Yes, rather annoying.
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When I right-click on a message from pnews.public.bde, that I want to reply, 
I select "Reply to group" and look what is in the adress bar :
pnews.announcements,pnews.paradox-development,pnews.paradox-programming,pnews.public.bde

Try and tell me if that happen to you.
Sorry for the inconvenience, it was not intentionally.

Dumitrescu S.

"Tom Krieg" <"See my signature"> wrote in message 
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> Does anyone else see 3 copies of each post, in different groups, for
> this thread? I suspect the OP cross-posted and linked. That's really
> annoying.
>
> Leslie Milburn wrote:
>> "Leslie Milburn" wrote:
>>
>
>
> "tom" +  "krieg" + chr(64) +  "outlook" +  chr(46) + "com"
> 
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We were using Paradox 7 with Windows XP and it worked smoothly, recently we
got new computers, and we tried to install Paradox 7 but wouldn't install,
so we  tried installing Paradox 11 first, and then we could install Paradox
7.

Now we constantly having problem with the error "Cannot open: You have attempted
to open a database that is in use by someone else, but the database cannot
be shared. You must set the location for the .NET control file."

I have been reading the posting here and I know I have to set all 3 machines
pointing to the same network directory, and same mapping etc. setting local
share on etc. funny thing is
what I saved in BDE Administrator in Control panel doesn't seemed to be saved
in paradox when I check in BDE preference inside the paradox program, I also
tried using BDEadmin.exe "Run as administrator" option and it also didn't
work.


Can someone help me please?
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> I have been reading the posting here and I know I have to set all 3 
> machines
> pointing to the same network directory, and same mapping etc. setting 
> local
> share on etc. funny thing is
> what I saved in BDE Administrator in Control panel doesn't seemed to be 
> saved
> in paradox when I check in BDE preference inside the paradox program, I 
> also
> tried using BDEadmin.exe "Run as administrator" option and it also didn't
> work.

This is a common problem.

There are many different solutions and suggestion how to fix.

In my opinion, by far the easiest way is:

Open BDE-Admin and create a configuration file with the settings you need 
for local share, net dir, number formats etc.

Under file-options, check the setting "for windows 3.1 and 95"

Use the BDE and "save as" to a location that all users have read access to, 
like S:\BDECFG\MYCONFIG.CFG

Open up the CFG-file in an text editor and verify that the settings you need 
are there. If you use Notepad much of the information will be scrambled but 
you will be able to see the parameter that are saved.

On the shortcut you use to start the application att the "-o" switch and 
point to the CFG file you created.

It should look something like this:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Corel\WordPerfect Office 
2002\Programs\pdxwin32.exe" -o S:\BDECFG\MYCONFIG.CFG

Start Paradox and verify that the settings are in use.

Anders


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Did you delete BDE installer from 
http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html ?
D.S.

"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
news:4b88d601@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> "Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
> news:4b88d597@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>> "Leslie Milburn" wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just to let you know that I have finally made the BDE installer 
>>> available
>>> on my website
>>> Here's the link:
>>>
>>> http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html
>>>
>>> This has now been tested at over 50 diverse sites and has installed
>>> without any issues on the 32 Bit versions of both Windows Vista and
>>> Windows 7 RC. This has not been tested on a 64Bit version of Windows as=
 
>>> I
>>> do not have access to one.
>>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I can now confirm this BDE installation works on Windows 7 RTM both 32 
>> Bit
>> and 64 Bit. It has now been tested at 80+ sites with no issues.
>> The readme file is slightly out of date at the time of this post, but I =

>> will
>> be updating it shortly.
>>
>> If you do not have access to an installation package, then you can use
>> WinRAR to create a single executable which auto-executes (an almost 
>> silent
>> install as described in the readme file). I have done exactly this for a=
n
>> older version of one of my products, so if you want to try it out then
>> here's the link: http://www.all2ezy.com/download/bde/Borland Database 
>> Engine
>> (CPro6).exe
>
> Opps, the link broke
> http://www.all2ezy.com/download/bde/Borland%20Database%20Engine%20(CPro6)=
=2Eexe
> 

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"Dumitrescu Silvian" <pronegot@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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Did you delete BDE installer from
http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html ?
D.S.

I am in the process of moving to a new web host so things are a bit flaky 
right now (and will be until at least the end of the year).

Link is now:
 http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.htm

for the next 2 weeks then it will change again.
Leslie.


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Hello Leslie!

    If you can find your installer and if you you are in the mood, in 
addition to my pray to make the thousandseparator changeable,
 maybe you look at the BDE-Help, on "withoutSQL" version, where there are 
some problems, see:
BDE cofiguration topics\BDE cofiguration settings\System settings\System 
INIT settings

    In "withSQL" the Help is working ((which is why I used this version, 
without the SQL options from inside, because the direct
change of BDEADMIN.HLP file doesn't works)

Thank you again for your work.
Dumitrescu S.

"Leslie Milburn" <CDB4W@NOSPAM.bigpond.com> wrote in message 
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> "Dumitrescu Silvian" <pronegot@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:52344c97@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>>
>> Please excuse me for my insistence, but I can not complete my installer 
>> that I added BDE installer ..
>> I check my email box a few times a day .
>> If the change is not possible (lack of time, etc..), please let me know 
>> ...
>>
>> Have a nice day !
>
> Working on it!!
>
> There is a painful lesson to be learnt in this ever increasing "internet" 
> driven world and the changing of hands of tools such as Installshield:
>
> I cannot find my Installshield Express 12 disc which is what I used for 
> the BDE installer - I have the earlier discs but they do not support 
> elevation, so no good.
>
> So I have spent the last week trying to order either a replacement disc or 
> get a download. What a joke this has turned out to be. When I bought it, 
> Installshield was owned by Macrovision which was then bought by Acresso 
> and who are now named Flexera. The outcome of this is that somewhere in 
> there my installshield account has been lost or deleted and so I cannot 
> simply download a copy again. Incredible !!
>
> So, on Friday morning I tried to get a trial download of the latest 
> version and the lack of trust is amazing. Sure you have to fill out a 
> form, BUT before you get the email with the link, it has to be "approved" 
> by someone in Flexera. So, being a Friday they all must have gone down the 
> pub because I only just got the email today, thats 3 days. That is just a 
> joke on todays market. Given that the price of their software is becoming 
> astronomical, if this trial version does not measure up then I will be 
> going elsewhere becuase this experience has left a sour taste in my mouth.
>
> As to the installer, I spent the week running various tests on WIndows 8 
> and there are no issues. SO, as soon as I get installhield happening again 
> it will not take long at all.
>
> Not much consolation I know, but thats life.
> Leslie.
>
>
> 

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I've used this on W2008 R2 server (64 bit) and it works fine. I have the 
BDE directory outside program files, in a dedicated Applications folder. 
Just one thing I've discovered ...

I install Paradox10 Runtime, and the BDE is installed in Program 
Files\Common Files\Borland Shared\BDE. Then I use your installer to do 
its magic and the BDE is all patched and set up and resides in 
Applications\Common Files\BDE. The program files\ etc folder is empty so 
I delete it. So far so good, and runtime runs without problem.

Then I install Paradox 10 and, lo and behold, the BDE is back in Program 
Files. What the? I use your installer to move it again and it seems to 
work. Then I start runtime ... GPV. Start Paradox10 ... GPV. Look in 
explorer, the BDE is in Program Files AND where it should be after the 
move. So I uninstall P10, P10 runtime and the BDE, go to the registry 
and get rid of all Corel and Borland entries and reinstall runtime and 
move the BDE. All OK again.

So it looks like Paradox10 full does not behave itself and installs the 
BDE where IT thinks it should be, even if it's already installed. And 
your installer doesn't seem to move (merge?) the BDE if it's in 2 places.

I'm now going to uninstall everything again, and install Runtime, the 
P10 full, and THEN do the BDE Installer thing and see if that resolves 
the problem. My guess is it will as there's only one BDE.


On 5/10/2009 8:14 PM, Leslie Milburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just to let you know that I have finally made the BDE installer available on
> my website
> Here's the link:
>
> http://www.all2ezy.com/html/developer_downloads.html
>
> This has now been tested at over 50 diverse sites and has installed without
> any issues on the 32 Bit versions of both Windows Vista and Windows 7 RC.
> This has not been tested on a 64Bit version of Windows as I do not have
> access to one.
>
>
>

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Mike Prestwood's "utility" won't install on my Windows 7 machine with 
Paradox 9. I run the BDEInfoSetup.EXE, the box is already checked to 
install BDE 5.2, and when I click Next it gives the error message below.

The installation program has detected BDE version 5.1.0.4 currently 
running. Please close any applications using the BDE and then restart 
this installation.

Paradox is closed and I have checked Task Manager for anything that is 
not a basic system program and nothing extra is running that I can find, 
so I don't think this installer is going to work for my case.

Bottom line, does anyone have a simple stand-alone installer for BDE 5.2 
or a location I can download it?

Many thanks,
Joe

On 1/28/2012 17:45, jlockley wrote:
> Mike Prestwood has a download link on the Prestwood boards: http://www.prestwood.com/aspsuite/kb/document_view.asp?qid=101043
>
> "Ed Covney" <ed(dot)covney(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>> This topic, see Leslie Milburn's post of 10/5/09.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kenneth Porter" <shiva.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D287BD7EDC79shivasewingwitchcom@209.203.225.138...
>>> It's my understanding that 5.2.0.2 is the latest. Where can I find a copy
>>> to download, from a reliable source that's not a trojan? I see download
>>> links at Borland but they take me to a passworded FTP site.
>>>
>>> http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeupdate.html
>>
>>
>
>

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it's on my site, too

http://www.oasistradingpost.com/cartpages/downloads.htm

--

Steven Green
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Collectibles and Memorabilia
Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
- and Paradox support, too

"Kenneth Porter"  wrote in message 
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It's my understanding that 5.2.0.2 is the latest. Where can I find a copy
to download, from a reliable source that's not a trojan? I see download
links at Borland but they take me to a passworded FTP site.

http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeupdate.html 


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Thanks, Steve. No other source has worked yet, so I'll try it from your 
site. --Joe

On 1/23/2015 15:20, Steven Green wrote:
> it's on my site, too
>
> http://www.oasistradingpost.com/cartpages/downloads.htm
>
> --
>
> Steven Green
> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA
>
> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>
> Collectibles and Memorabilia
> Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
> - and Paradox support, too
>
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> news:Xns9D287BD7EDC79shivasewingwitchcom@209.203.225.138...
>
> It's my understanding that 5.2.0.2 is the latest. Where can I find a copy
> to download, from a reliable source that's not a trojan? I see download
> links at Borland but they take me to a passworded FTP site.
>
> http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/bdeupdate.html
>
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On 2016-01-26 15:45:26 +0000, feargal said:
Just to add, if I kick all the other users off the system this W10 
machine will function perfectly and connect to the necessary tables 
correctly.


> Hi
> 
> I am having a bit of a dog of a problem with W10 and the BDE
> 
> I am trying to bring a W10 laptop into our network and need it to share 
> a NETFILE with the other PDOX clients.
> 
> I uses the same drive mapping as all the other (non-W10) clients and 
> ostensibly the same cfg file but that is where I am getting strange 
> results.
> 
> In paradox, the settings in Preferences | Database and Preferences | 
> BDE all look fine.
> But I get errors when running my main startup form
> 
> Error
> 
> The system cannot find the file :penta:___posn_summary.db
> 
> OK
> 
> 
> 
> and a further 3 errors list 3 other tables that it "cannot find". All 4 
> of the tables DO exist btw.
> 
> All 4 of these tables are deployed from the :penta: alias to the :priv: 
> alias in the form INIT method, after a disabledefault. The deployment 
> works fine on other non-W10 machines.
> 
> Once deployed (post- DODEFAULT ) they should become part of the form 
> data model.
> 
> But I get another error:
> 
> Paradox
> cannot open :WORK:my_table.db
> You have attempted to open a database that is in use by someone else, 
> but the database cannot be shared. You must set the location for the 
> .NET control file
> 
> Do you want to replace :WORK:my_table.db
> 
> 
> 
> That says to me that there is a BDEADMIN problem.
> 
> If i run the BDE Admin .cpl file it seems to run ok and there is 
> nothing much wrong with the settings. But bif I try to save the config, 
> BDEADMIN crashes. Sounds like a permission problem to me.
> 
> What can I do about this problem?


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Hi

I am having a bit of a dog of a problem with W10 and the BDE

I am trying to bring a W10 laptop into our network and need it to share 
a NETFILE with the other PDOX clients.

I uses the same drive mapping as all the other (non-W10) clients and 
ostensibly the same cfg file but that is where I am getting strange 
results.

In paradox, the settings in Preferences | Database and Preferences | 
BDE all look fine.
But I get errors when running my main startup form

Error

The system cannot find the file :penta:___posn_summary.db

OK



and a further 3 errors list 3 other tables that it "cannot find". All 4 
of the tables DO exist btw.

All 4 of these tables are deployed from the :penta: alias to the :priv: 
alias in the form INIT method, after a disabledefault. The deployment 
works fine on other non-W10 machines.

Once deployed (post- DODEFAULT ) they should become part of the form 
data model.

But I get another error:

Paradox
cannot open :WORK:my_table.db
You have attempted to open a database that is in use by someone else, 
but the database cannot be shared. You must set the location for the 
.NET control file

Do you want to replace :WORK:my_table.db



That says to me that there is a BDEADMIN problem.

If i run the BDE Admin .cpl file it seems to run ok and there is 
nothing much wrong with the settings. But bif I try to save the config, 
BDEADMIN crashes. Sounds like a permission problem to me.

What can I do about this problem?



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> Hi
>
> I am having a bit of a dog of a problem with W10 and the BDE
>
> I am trying to bring a W10 laptop into our network and need it to share a 
> NETFILE with the other PDOX clients.
>
> I uses the same drive mapping as all the other (non-W10) clients and 
> ostensibly the same cfg file but that is where I am getting strange 
> results.
>
> In paradox, the settings in Preferences | Database and Preferences | BDE 
> all look fine.
> But I get errors when running my main startup form
>
> Error
>
> The system cannot find the file :penta:___posn_summary.db
>
> OK

Is "___posn_summary.db" really the name of the table or am I seeing missing 
foreign characters weirdly ?

What path have you set for the netfile ? It must be an identical path with 
only the drive letter able to differ. Also make sure that local share is set 
to TRUE in the BDE on all machines. I am also assuming reading your post 
that you are not actually sharing the same physical cfg file across users 
across different BDE installations, cause that will cause grief.

Lastly, The CFG file must reside in a folder that each user of the machine 
has permission to update, so check the permissions on the folder tree.

Leslie.




 


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Thought I would post this here in case anyone cares (I don't): 
http://www.code-partners.com/bde-installer-for-rad-studio-10-1-berlin/

Leslie.


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I guess it helps to know what Rad Studio, Fire DAC, and Berlin are :-)

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Thought I would post this here in case anyone cares (I don't):
http://www.code-partners.com/bde-installer-for-rad-studio-10-1-berlin/

Leslie.


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Hi Steve,

If you don't know then you probably don't care either ;-)

Of course there is always Google (if you might just care a little bit).
Leslie.


"Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote:
>
>I guess it helps to know what Rad Studio, Fire DAC, and Berlin are :-)
>
> --
>
> Steven Green
> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA
>
> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>
> Collectibles and Memorabilia
> Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
> - and Paradox support, too
>
> "Leslie Milburn"  wrote in message 
> news:5748f81c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> Thought I would post this here in case anyone cares (I don't):
> http://www.code-partners.com/bde-installer-for-rad-studio-10-1-berlin/
>
> Leslie.
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no, I don't care.. yes, I'd google it if I cared :-)

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Collectibles and Memorabilia
Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
- and Paradox support, too

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Hi Steve,

If you don't know then you probably don't care either ;-)

Of course there is always Google (if you might just care a little bit).
Leslie.


"Steven Green" <greens@diamondsg.com> wrote:
>
>I guess it helps to know what Rad Studio, Fire DAC, and Berlin are :-)
>
> --
>
> Steven Green
> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA
>
> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>
> Collectibles and Memorabilia
> Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
> - and Paradox support, too
>
> "Leslie Milburn"  wrote in message 
> news:5748f81c$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> Thought I would post this here in case anyone cares (I don't):
> http://www.code-partners.com/bde-installer-for-rad-studio-10-1-berlin/
>
> Leslie.
>
>
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I'm running a server with 96GB of memory.  Does anyone have the maximum 
values for the following BDE Settings:
Low Memory Usage Limit
MaxBufSize
MemSize
MinBufSize
SharedMemSize

Thanks,
Kevin 

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most of the "theoretical limits" were created when 1 gig of memory was 
unheard of.. I haven't seen anything comprehensive that's been tested 
recently


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Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
- and Paradox support, too
"Kevin Baker"  wrote in message news:5b6b5511$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...

I'm running a server with 96GB of memory.  Does anyone have the maximum
values for the following BDE Settings:
Low Memory Usage Limit
MaxBufSize
MemSize
MinBufSize
SharedMemSize

Thanks,
Kevin 

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I'm not seeing that.. server 2016, win10, p10.. when I get a lock time out, 
it's certainly not instant.. it's at least 20 or 30 seconds, maybe longer.. 
it's rare, but it still happens

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The lock timeout occurs when the BDE fails to get a lock. So its instant
by default right now as there is no retry. I am sure this was not the
case way back, but maybe I am thinking about pre-idapi Paradox Engine.

By setting a retry amount, the lock timeout would occur after that time
has elapsed.

So, I am wondering if when a mapped drive goes to sleep, this retry
amount would allow the drive to reawaken. Also if WiFi is involved if it
would be more forgiving.

When I get time I will try a few tests (such as unplugging the network
cable) to see what happens.


On 5/06/2021 2:05 AM, Steven Green wrote:
> so what's triggering the lock timeout? 30 seconds?
>
> --
>
> Steven Green
> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA
>
> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>
> Collectibles and Memorabilia
> Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
> - and Paradox support, too
> "Leslie"  wrote in message news:60b774ce$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> I think I may have posted this info some years ago but I cant search it.
> Anyways, I just came cross it again and thought it would be good to
> place it here for anyone that needs the info....
>
> In the old days I am pretty sure the timeout to retry to get a lock was
> about 3 seconds but at some point that changed and even though the BDE
> help file says it is 5 seconds by default, it is in fact wrong and there
> is no retry attempted.
>
> So you can force the retry count by calling dbiSetLockRetry(5) which is
> for the current BDE session. I am unsure if Opal has an equivalent
> function.
>
> Here is a discussion, I am sure there were more but it looks like the
> internet is getting cleaned over time:
> http://www.delphigroups.info/2/fb/343380.html
>
>
>
>
>

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The lock timeout occurs when the BDE fails to get a lock. So its instant 
by default right now as there is no retry. I am sure this was not the 
case way back, but maybe I am thinking about pre-idapi Paradox Engine.

By setting a retry amount, the lock timeout would occur after that time 
has elapsed.

So, I am wondering if when a mapped drive goes to sleep, this retry 
amount would allow the drive to reawaken. Also if WiFi is involved if it 
would be more forgiving.

When I get time I will try a few tests (such as unplugging the network 
cable) to see what happens.


On 5/06/2021 2:05 AM, Steven Green wrote:
> so what's triggering the lock timeout? 30 seconds?
>
> --
>
> Steven Green
> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA
>
> http://www.OasisTradingPost.com
>
> Collectibles and Memorabilia
> Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
> - and Paradox support, too
> "Leslie"  wrote in message news:60b774ce$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...
>
> I think I may have posted this info some years ago but I cant search it.
> Anyways, I just came cross it again and thought it would be good to
> place it here for anyone that needs the info....
>
> In the old days I am pretty sure the timeout to retry to get a lock was
> about 3 seconds but at some point that changed and even though the BDE
> help file says it is 5 seconds by default, it is in fact wrong and there
> is no retry attempted.
>
> So you can force the retry count by calling dbiSetLockRetry(5) which is
> for the current BDE session. I am unsure if Opal has an equivalent
> function.
>
> Here is a discussion, I am sure there were more but it looks like the
> internet is getting cleaned over time:
> http://www.delphigroups.info/2/fb/343380.html
>
>
>
>
>

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so what's triggering the lock timeout? 30 seconds?

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Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA

http://www.OasisTradingPost.com

Collectibles and Memorabilia
Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
- and Paradox support, too
"Leslie"  wrote in message news:60b774ce$1@pnews.thedbcommunity.com...

I think I may have posted this info some years ago but I cant search it.
Anyways, I just came cross it again and thought it would be good to
place it here for anyone that needs the info....

In the old days I am pretty sure the timeout to retry to get a lock was
about 3 seconds but at some point that changed and even though the BDE
help file says it is 5 seconds by default, it is in fact wrong and there
is no retry attempted.

So you can force the retry count by calling dbiSetLockRetry(5) which is
for the current BDE session. I am unsure if Opal has an equivalent function.

Here is a discussion, I am sure there were more but it looks like the
internet is getting cleaned over time:
http://www.delphigroups.info/2/fb/343380.html





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I think I may have posted this info some years ago but I cant search it.
Anyways, I just came cross it again and thought it would be good to 
place it here for anyone that needs the info....

In the old days I am pretty sure the timeout to retry to get a lock was 
about 3 seconds but at some point that changed and even though the BDE 
help file says it is 5 seconds by default, it is in fact wrong and there 
is no retry attempted.

So you can force the retry count by calling dbiSetLockRetry(5) which is 
for the current BDE session. I am unsure if Opal has an equivalent function.

Here is a discussion, I am sure there were more but it looks like the 
internet is getting cleaned over time: 
http://www.delphigroups.info/2/fb/343380.html





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Am 08.08.2018 um 22:39 schrieb Kevin Baker:
> I'm running a server with 96GB of memory.Â  Does anyone have the maximum 
> values for the following BDE Settings:

Here's the answer copied and translated from BDE Helpfile (the answer is 
a little bit too late) :-):


> Low Memory Usage Limit

Specifies the maximum amount of low memory (in KB) that BDE can use.
Default: 32.


> MaxBufSize

Contains the maximum amount of memory (in KB) to allocate as a cache 
buffer for a database's data. This entry can be any integer value 
divisible by 128 between MINBUFSIZE and the total amount of RAM 
available to Windows.
Default value: 2048


> MemSize

Specifies the maximum amount of memory (in MB) that BDE can use.
Default: 16 MB. Maximum: 205 MB. If a number greater than 205 is 
specified, MEMSIZE is set to 205.


> MinBufSize

Contains the minimum amount of memory (in KB) to be reserved as a cache 
buffer for a database's data. This entry can be any integer value 
between 32 and 65535, but must be less than the amount of RAM available 
to Windows.
Default value: 128


> SharedMemSize

Sets the maximum amount of memory (in KB) that BDE can use for shared 
resources.
Default: 2048 KB, Minimum: 2048
If a value less than 2048 is specified, 2048 is used. File handles, 
drivers, and system, client, and table objects are shared resources and 
SHAREDMEMSIZE should be increased if many of these objects are used.

> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin

